Mafell Erika owners

KentonIwao

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I am considering a Mafell Erika push pull saw.  The Festool looks good but I live in N. America so it is not available. I like it over US saws because of the attention paid to dust collection as well as being portable yet high quality (durable, accurate).  The bonus is the cross cutting action of a push pull saw, something  no US saw has. 

Questions for anyone who has this saw(specifically the 70 ec or 85 ec):

1.How is the accuracy and durability as compared to a good cabinet saw?  For the high price I want something that will last and be very accurate.  eg. perfect miters for picture frames, cutting plywood panels square, and ripping boards parallel.

2.How good is the dust collection with a mafell vac or a festool ct hooked up to it.  The Bill Pentz cyclone website says that  you need 1000 cfm on a table saw to get the unhealthy fine dust yet the festool ct is 130 cfm.  Is the saw design better than normal table saws so that it makes up for it?  I would be using the saw in an art studio, and I also live in the same building so capturing as much fine dust as possible is important.

I would really appreciate any information, honest opinions from anyone who owns an Erika.  Please be as detailed as you wish.

Eric
 
hi and wecome to the fog,

I doubt there are many guys on here that own one so dont expect to be over run with replys. is there any chance a dealer could demo it for you?
 
Thank you.  Yes, but the only dealer is an 8 hr drive away(Williamsville, NY).  I remember reading a post on here about the cs70 where someone replied they had an Erika and it was great so thought I'd give it a shot.  I'll probably go check it out in person, but some user feedback would be helpful as well.
 
KentonIwao said:
Thank you.   Yes, but the only dealer is an 8 hr drive away(Williamsville, NY).  I remember reading a post on here about the cs70 where someone replied they had an Erika and it was great so thought I'd give it a shot.  I'll probably go check it out in person, but some user feedback would be helpful as well.

Hi if you know that someone on the forum has one why not pm them for some more feedback,if the closest dealer is an 8hr drive away where are the spare parts? that has to form part of the decision making process..

I own three mafells and they do make good machines.

good luck and if you buy one pop a few photos on the forum.
 
I think a guy called Mac Campsure on the other FOG ( Felder Owners Goup - yahoo )has one and rates it highly. have a look through their threads.
Richard
 
I have one Mafell Erika 85 Ec at my disposal at work. The device is not my personal property, however I was the one who made the purchase.

I use it mainly to prepare rectangular blankos for materials testing specimens. Usually polymers and composites, but sometimes metals like aluminum and copper alloys. I have yet to find a proper blade geometry for harder alloys, however I see this possible due to adjustable range of rpm and the exclusive service relationship with Malmin Terä Oy.

Pros (case sensitive):

The saw has maintained it's level of precision very well, regardless of the blade type (custom or by Mafell).

For example: With a specially arranged self-made zero-tolerance tabletop surface for Erika 85Ec (not original but self-made), I have been able to cut consistent 0,15mm slices out of rather fragile thermoset material (specimens for DMA testing). In such demand, regardless of the self-made tabletop, it is indeed asked that nothing essentially vibrates.

This means that: blade body is straight, blade body is balanced, blade teeth are consistently sharpened, blade can be fixed with a simple yet consistent manner, the machining of blade seating is extremely precise, the drive axle is straight, the seating of the motor and transmission is extremely parallel to push-pull action, the railing for push-pull action is straight, the saw aluminum tabletop is straight and not twisted... The user interface is simple and repeatable at least per user. Erika has been incredible in these issues.

I admit I have used the Erika 85 Ec for my own good, to make me a couple of wooden handplane beddings (James Krenov/Ron Hock style), and for a couple of custom picture frames. The others at work have used the 85Ec for precision cutting of aluminum profiles, sometimes using almost the full (430mm) travel of push-pull action. The results for joint quality have been praised without exceptions.

Cons:

What Mafell made out of this line of portable table saws, was to compete with The Quality itself. Not joking. (the business people members of FOG probably could point out some practical issues on what this kind of ideology could cause, in real life).

The main aim was to develop a worksite saw that would answer to the demands of finishing carpenters as well. I have understood that there were an amount of people who indeed wanted to make all of it on a single saw platform and just with by adjusting the single fence as easily as possible.

I simply feel, that due to previous reasons, despite how precise and useful the Mafell Erika line is at the moment, it is still not fully matured yet. Just a gut feeling.

There are stories how Erikas have replaced a compound miter saw. Ok, maybe some of those stories are true, however I would not necessarily do so on my behalf. Erika's guide system is indeed quick and versatile, moreover, the blade tilt is probably the quickest yet incredibly consistent I have seen in any purely hand-operated circular table saw. I do not necessarily need to check the angles everytime. Yet, it (in my mind) does not replace a proper compound miter saw just because a miter saw does it as quickly both right- and left-handed. Then again, the compound miter saw needs to be very good quality to do so without hassle. I have a reason to think that Erika would not replace Kapex in my use, however it starts to become a matter of taste at this level of expenses (usually).

Yes, Erika 85Ec is extremely portable and robust, equipped with a 2,6 kW CUprex motor that eats up all of the woodstuff within rational thickness range (and with a proper blade style). However, Mafell Erika line is to date based on the idea of a maximum quality worksite circular table saw and nothing else. It is not an Altendorf. Yes it will beat the crap out of badly punished tablesaws. Then what is a badly punished tablesaw, you need an expert friend to point it out.

Summary:

With Erikas, you do not need to worry about basic issues (truly made in Germany... Heckler&Koch is btw the next door factory), you only remember that they are worksite gear by nature. You Can easily achieve up to furniture precision levels though, especially with the 70 or 85Ec, limited by your material width and thickness. They are not precision table panel saws. The fame emerges for a reason though.

Erikas weigh around 30-40 kilograms. Table saws weigh something like from 100kg to 500 kg, or more. This alone should tell about the comparison as well.

Cheers,

Ikisumu

Edit: Sorry for my bad non-native english. I'm still learning.
 
Hi, Ikisumu

Welcome to the FOG !  [smile]

Interesting info., keep it coming, and your english is fine.

Seth
 
Thanks for your comments Ikisumu.  I went for the 70ec and I have had success with it for the most part.  I am curious about your zero clearance top, as I have been wondering how best to accomplish it.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated., Eric
 
Fellows Pro Tools (instead of people with tool-shaped-objects),

Thank You very much. Seems to be I have found my dwellings.

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KentonIwao,

Like mentioned, I mainly use the Erika for specific purposes. However I use it also like it was ment to use, which is for plain recreational woodworking.

Zero clearance table is in my case made out of 10mm hard acrylic sheet where the design basis is more or less like a common miter box.

The difference with common miter box is that this one is clamped against the tabletop. The "miter guides, fences and stops" are joined with the acrylic tabletop sheet, so that I can prepare those "blankos" for desired specimens. When the arrangement is not needed, I simply remove it off the saw. When the zero clearance wears out, I just move the sheet halves towards each other and pull the saw through the slit.

I have talked to Mafell regarding to this issue. It is to me indeed something why I feel the Erika concept is not yet fully matured.

I would accept that I need to occasionally purchase a stock of sheets of 5mm or 10mm acrylic (etc), if I could use the original Mafell-design based miter fence with this zero clearance feature.

I see no problem why they wouldn't design a miter fence fixture so that it would work with both original aluminium top level and with (mafell-defined) elevated zero-clearance top. It would require just a couple of extra fixture accessories, and really nothing more.

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SRSemenza,

I am still learning to speak. It takes quite a lot, but I will arrive. Thank You very much, sir.

For conventional wood ripping, and for super-precise plastics/aluminium sheet cutting (for example to prepare "airtight" carbon composite sheet butt-joints), I highly recommend the longer side guide fence WITH an additional miter fixture, so that you can secure the fence at both ends of the table.

Using two fixtures is very easy. Because Mafell component manufacturing is already very precise, what you need to do is to loosen the both ends, move the fence as usual, and then fix them. You maybe noticed there's a measure on both ends of the table. They seem to hold quite well (Mafells are hand assembled at the factory).

Cheers,

Ikisumu
 
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