Mafell P1cc Jigsaw

[Paul G]

In reply to jonathan-m's post,  the dealer mentioned was not banned for the test or his Festool dealer status.  The ban was for activity here prior to the other thread and failure to disclose relationships.  That review thread was allowed to continue for 9 pages until the completion of their tests.  Then it was locked.  The links to the review video are banned due to the fact that they are considered posting on a banned member's behalf which is not allowed per the forum guidelines - not because of the content.

Peter

Is that thread still here? I'd like to read it but can't find it, searching has been difficult.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Just to add to what Peter and others have said, the Mafell dealer in question (Sander is his name) came onto the forum and began promoting and advocating Mafell products and never disclosed his affiliation with Mafell. Even after I messaged him, he denied any affiliation and pretended to just be another guy like one of you. I later found definitive proof that he was being dishonest. So, he was banned from the forum. Per our forum guidelines, another member cannot post on behalf of a banned member. This rule was in place long before this transpired.

Some time later, a thread began with a new member making their first post with a video of the Carvex bending a blade in what was portrayed as an unbiased video comparison with the P1CC. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, myself and others attempted to offer assistance only to find out later that this new forum member, as well as two others who later joined the thread, were affiliated with the aforementioned Mafell dealer, Sander, and did not disclose that information up front.

Despite what I personally felt was compelling evidence that the video was extremely biased and meant to discredit the merits of the Carvex, the thread was allowed to continue until the tests results were completed.

This Mafell dealer in the Netherlands, Sander, and his testers have been deceptive here on the forum multiple times now and I do not condone his practices. I'm surprised that Mafell allows this type of thing because I believe it hurts their brand image.

Since this thread, we have had several forum members replicate the cut without issues and post their results.

Here's a link to the fiasco, which I would agree that's what it was. Please feel free to read it, but I'd respectfully ask that we not get back into a heated debate. Use it as a reference and form your opinion. I've not revisited that thread since it was originally made, so let me apologize in advance for anything I might have said that was out of line. I believe strongly in what Festool represents and feel compelled to protect what I believe in.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/carvex-420-first-impressions

 

[Paul G]

Thanks Shane, I think you kept your cool better than I would lol.

For those wanting to read the review it is indeed posted here at FOG in post #222 of that comical thread.

 

[peter halle]

I assure anyone reading that thread that Shane, Seth, and I do not get our jollies have to do non-helpful moderating in a thread and that thread will be remembered by us for a loooooong time.

Rock on and make sawdust!

Peter

 

[GhostFist]

FOG, being owned and operated by Festool itself, have to be applauded for this website. In the time that I've been on this forum they have always allowed for constructive criticism and comparison to competitors. It stands as another excellent feature to Festool's customer service. While there are instances where I prefer a competitor's product, Festool remain extremely high quality! Hat's off to the moderators, this board in general, and festool as a whole.

 

[mikeomalley]

Ghostfist, Totally agree. Mike

 

[hemdale]

Hi guys, sorry to dig out this topic.

Just wondered if the P1CC was sold with the "old" systainer
or the "new" one (the one wich has the unique central rotative latch).

Thanks !

 

[CrazyLarry]

Hi guys, sorry to dig out this topic.

Just wondered if the P1CC was sold with the "old" systainer
or the "new" one (the one wich has the unique central rotative latch).

Thanks !

Currently the old one... rumour mill says mafell will be phasing in T-Locs Q2 next year though

 

[Wuffles]

It's also sometimes a squeeze to get the cable bundled in there, probably worth switching it out for a newer larger one if you can get the insert to fit.

 

[paulc75]

Noticed at toolfair that some Mafell are now in tlocs labelled T-Max. Only a KSS at the moment until all current stock sells. This us what the Mafell rep said to me. So no P1CC in Tloc yet. I was told that there are still over 100 P1CC on stock in the classics.

 

[Holmz]

Hi guys, sorry to dig out this topic.

Just wondered if the P1CC was sold with the "old" systainer
or the "new" one (the one wich has the unique central rotative latch).

Thanks !

Much the same as marrying a women because you like her lipstick and shoes, you can always buy the sustainer, and the packaging does not actually do any sawing.

I like the classic syatainers myself, but I did 40 sys-1 in the T-loc last week.

 

[DB10]

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Much the same as marrying a women because you like her lipstick and shoes, you can always buy the Systainer, and the packaging does not actually do any sawing.

I like the classic syatainers myself, but I did 40 sys-1 in the T-loc last week.
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[member=40772]Holmz[/member]    40 - Sys1's, So it must have been you who snapped up all the remaining 90 year stock............Are you building a new house out of Systainers?

 

[Holmz]

[member=42735]DB10[/member] - I went to get some plumbing gear out of the Ikea wire rack job I have had for 20 years.
Again the 'bastard of a thing' avalanched down with one shelf dropping down to the next one, and so forth.
I was trending towards another Tourettes moment.

However I remained strangely calm.

Without the permission of the Haus-Boss I retired to my study and ordered 40 after carefully consideration...

This included considering the old kitchen bench that is in the garage where the drawers and doors are also fully knackered.
I have sand paper in one dodgy drawer and can never get to things.

Then I scratched the beard...  [cool]

And considered for the umptenth time how to make a work bench that replace the kitchen bench.
I want it on wheels so I can shift it about.
And I want to be able to break it down to flat-pack it if/when I move. So I have been considering unglued dowels/dominos for alignment and screws to hold it together.

So I ordered a Lamello Zeta-P2 and some clampex to use for the function of screws.  [cool]

I am looking at vacuum bags at the moment [embarassed] as I have a roll of carbon fibre. So weighing up using an end-grain balsa core with c/f face-sheets. I may just use the fibreglass face-sheet material.
Probably 8 feet long with a top and bottom and a center spine, and some dividers every systainer width to stiffen it... Sort of a thick Paulk design.
I'll probably paint the carcase with an automotive paint and 2-pack clear coat it.
I whack some castors on the base to shift it about.

That bench will hold a lot of the systainers and I can texta chisels, sand paper, etc on those systainers or have a lookup table for my crap may be.  [embarassed]

Back onto the p1cc... I spoke with the local "Test & Tag" fellow this arvo.
He charges $6/tool, and maybe another $6 /extension-leads.

He said no worries with an Aussie male end on a p1cc. If I have not already done that, then add $10/tool and it is stamped compliant. He also said no worries with a Nuetrik on it, but that may be another few $/tool to test-n-tag them.  [cool]

I was leaning on the Domino last weekend, and I now wish that all the manufactures put Nuetrik on, rather than a "plug it". It would make the tools more like an ISO standard "system". And the Nuetrik feels a lot more solid than a "plug-it".

The Haus-Boss wants an MDF craft credenza. I spoke of Jarrah and she said as long as it is painted white and looks like MDF she doesn't care what I use.  [scared]
The Zeta will do that first to break the news to her... And then a book shelf for her work...

 

[Kev]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] where did you order the Zeta-P2 from? I noticed a special offer at Dictum.

https://www.dictum.com/en/tools/power-tools/routing/720219/special-offer-lamello-zeta-p2-with-hw-cutter-80-clamex-connector-systainer

 

[Holmz]

[member=13058]Kev[/member] - Dictum has a fantastic web site.

Where is makes as much sense or more, is for something like a p1cc or xl700.
For the cost of an Aussy plug-it (XL700) one can save enough to get the systainer kit of dominos.
And for a couple $ for an Aussy male plug end one can get p1cc for a competitive price.

After 1000$, the GST+Duty make it less attractive, but it is still attractive.

When an imported p1cc is less than a green saw, it is sort of a no-brainer unless one requires an LED light.

 

[andreasg]

I think I have seen that video earlier. Seems like an awesome tool! But guess you need different rails. And a ton of extras. And moving away from the Festool system isn¨t even a question that is up for debate. This seems cooler than my Trion, and that´s okei too

Congratulation with a nice new enviable tool

 

[DB10]

Thanks [member=40772]Holmz[/member] Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

 

[Kev]

Thanks [member=40772]Holmz[/member] Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

[member=42735]DB10[/member] I think you'll find he is actually a real, live mad scientist ... with documentation to prove it !! [wink]

 

[DB10]

Thanks [member=40772]Holmz[/member] Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

[member=42735]DB10[/member] I think you'll find he is actually a real, live mad scientist ... with documentation to prove it !! [wink]

[member=13058]Kev[/member] maybe [member=40772]Holmz[/member]  could explain to me how the flux capacitor works, in layman's terms. Then I could go back in time and snap up some of those 90 year systainers before you boys got them all!

 

[Kev]

Thanks [member=40772]Holmz[/member] Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

[member=42735]DB10[/member] I think you'll find he is actually a real, live mad scientist ... with documentation to prove it !! [wink]

[member=13058]Kev[/member] maybe [member=40772]Holmz[/member]  could explain to me how the flux capacitor works, in layman's terms. Then I could go back in time and snap up some of those 90 year systainers before you boys got them all!

[member=42735]DB10[/member] I need to explain the butterfly effect to you .. if 90th Anniversary Systainers ended up in the wrong hands it could mean the end of civilisation as we know it!!! [scared] [eek]