Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review

James Biddle

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So, I've only had my Makita LS1019L for just over 2 months now after selling my Kapex and I thought I'd give some of my initial observations of the new tool compared to the Kapex. 

1. Dust collection.  The dust collection is good, not Kapex good, but good.  It has a hose diverter where it suck from both around the blade and behind.  I'm not happy that the hookup for the DC points downward at an angle, making it more challenging to hook up on a closed bench, but that's a minor bit.  Advantage-Kapex

2. Use against a wall.  Both tools have dual fixed tubes the saw slides out from so both can be put close to a wall.  You really can't put either against a wall and swing the miter without hose issues, but both are really well done.  Advantage-both

3. Quality of cut.  Using a good cut technique has a major impact on any miter saw, and the Makita is no different.  I was able to get perfect cuts (I was only cutting base cap molding on the Makita) with good technique.  If I pushed the cut too fast I got fuzz and if I raised the blade too quickly, I sometimes got flung the offcut.  Advantage-both

4. Accuracy of the setup out of the box.  I realize this may vary greatly from tool to tool, but my Makita needed adjustment out of the box. The good news is that the bevel adjustment is VERY easy with the attached hex wrench and access to the adjustment points.  The miter was dead on.  However, the Kapex required no adjustment out of the box.  Advantage-Kapex

5. Squareness and flatness of the fence and base.  Here, I had issues with both.  My Kapex base was not flat along the fence and non-adjustable.  The fence was dead-on though.  On the Makita, the base and stationary fence were dead on, but the removable fence had only a minor adjustment and I was unable to adjust the removable fence at the outer end of the base where there is a post and hole casting.  The effect was that I could not get perfectly cuts where that surface was referenced.  Advantage-neither

6. Ergonomics.  Neither machine is a pain to use, but my preference was the horizontal handle on the Makita over the vertical on the Kapex.  The laser switch was the index finger above the hand one the Makita making it easier to switch on and off during the process.  It was also easier to lower the blade to align the cut line on the Makita. Advantage-Makita

7. Laser.  Makita laser is only on one side, so the Kapex will win here.  Also, the Kapex laser was dead on at delivery, and I still need to adjust the Makita about a 64th, but have not got that far yet.  Advantage-Kapex.

8. Motor.  It's unfair to rate the Kapex against the Makita. The Makita is new with little track record.  Id does not seem to bog down in any of the cuts I've made, nor should it cutting the base cap I've used.  Advantage-neither

9. Hold downs.  I liked the Kapex hold downs and did not like it came with only one.  I don't like the Makita at all and don't like it came with only one.  Neither tool allows for 2 hold downs to be used with full miter rotation. Kapex got the hold down right and just did not include enough.  Makita falls flat here.  Advantage-Kapex

10. Miter and bevel adjustment.  Mixed bag here.  Kapex is really easy to unlock and rotate the bevel and use the button to release the stops.  Makita has the unlock at the end of a tube and then you manually pivot the tool and use buttons to release the stop.  On the miter, I found it easier to adjust the Makita close to the detents than the Kapex.  Both are a pain and the new innovator will have some method to rotate the bevel like Festool does with the bevel.  Advantage-neither

11. Price. I paid $509 for the Makita and the Kapex sells for $1,475.  Advantage-Makita

Overall.  The Kapex is clearly a better saw to me, while working.  The Makita has incorporated many of the Kapex's fine features while keeping the price at a level WAY below the Kapex.  I purposefully did not address portability because although the Kapex is easily more portable, you can buy two of the Makita and leave one in the shop and one in the truck and have a backup saw in case of emergencies.

 
I appreciate a well done comparison and you have achieved that it my mind.  [thumbs up]

Peter
 
Thanks for the review. I am debating the Makita or a Bosch to replace my Kapex. I’m going to roll with Kapex for a bit longer but still live in fear of another motor failure. Mine went in less than a year and a half but has been fine since, about 3 years. I’ve since replaced/ modified a few parts on it to keep it going. If not for the dust collection it’s really just an average saw at an above average price.
As for your Makita motor, I will personally guarantee it won’t burn up in less than a year and a half. Send me a PM if it does and I’ll buy you a new one. I’ve had the same Makita circular saw for 10+ years, no issues.
 
Is this saw available in the UK?

I have the older  tried and trusted  LS1013. As does an acquaintance.
And he is looking for a suitable  replacement.
 
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer
 
The link used by fuzzy logic (UK) isn't the saw model being discussed in this thread, which is the newer Makita LS1019L model that has the forward fixed rails to compete against the Festool Kapex model.  Thanks.
 
John1102 said:
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer

I had the same problem out of the box, but I just adjusted the saw to 90 by moving the detent ring.  Now mine tracks straight, not like he is showing.  I don't have the Kapex anymore, but I think it adjusts the same way, doesn't it?
 
The issue WW experienced was that the saw blade wasn't parallel to the slides.  So even if you adjusted the blade (like you described) so it was exactly 90 degrees to the fence, when you pulled the blade back, the blade slides out in a skewed fashion.  This is a manufacturing defect, not something that you can adjust for. 
 
From the video Marc posted, it looked like the blade started out about a 1/16th away from the square and ran in towards and hit the square at full extension.  The only thing the square is testing is whether the 90degree cut is calibrated correctly.  Looks no different than if I set my miter about a half degree or so off of 90.  It that's the case, he needs to recalibrate the 90 position, which is as I described.  Am I missing something?
 
It's not a squareness issue. Since the square is placed offset of the blade about 1/16" an inch yet still square to the blade off of the fence as the saw blade is pulled out along the rails at the end of the cutting length it begins to come into contact with the square.  It appears to be a manufacturing defect with the rail carriage as was my understanding from the video.   
 
I have found the blade not perfectly parellel to the slides to be a common issue on almost all scms. It’s the first thing I look for. I clamp a wide blade board to the saw. It does not matter the miter angle. With thread pushed all the way back I do,a plunge cut and with the blade still running I lift the blade up and pull it all the way out without cutting. Than I plunge down and mate the cuts. If the do not perfectly line up than the blade is not parellel to the slides. Most saws have no adjustment to fix if the blade is not parellel to the slides. My ls1019l is perfectly parellel. Dust collection is very good. Power is excellent.  Slides are smooth. Detent override. Easy to use safety and one can hold the blade guard up with the thumb. Flat table. It’s a great saw.
 
John1102 said:
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer
RKA said:
6:15 in the video

This is unfortunate. Why does it seem so difficult to find an accurate SCMS for a decent price?

This Makita seemed like a contender, but I'm not satisfied with the accuracy issues.

I feel like there would be more side to side deflection with the way the rails are oriented on this vs the typical side by side layout in Kapex and others.
 
My Makita ls1019l is solid side to side. The old Dewalt dw708 had stacked slide rails it was solid as well. I like the Makita better than the kapex  in every way  except for the large bevel scale on the kapex  and the Makita weighs 10 lbs more. I still think the. Eat way to check if the blade is parallel is by lining up a chop cut with a push cut as I mentioned before. It does not matter the angle.
 
[member=54571]nms[/member]
Just buy it locally from a retailer that turns over stock regularly.  If it has this issue, you'll be able to confirm it quickly and return it.
WW got his just after they were introduced.  His report in the video was some time after all this happened.  Granted, we're talking about months and not years, but it's still possible Makita has already resolved the issue and if they haven't, I'm sure they will soon.   
 
glass1 said:
My Makita ls1019l is solid side to side.
Have you done many test cuts on wide pieces and checked closely for deflection? I'm worried about it with 2x6 or 1x12 boards particularly.
RKA said:
[member=54571]nms[/member]
Just buy it locally from a retailer that turns over stock regularly.
Yeah that does sound like the best way to go. It seems like the dust collection is better than most alternatives. I was checking these out, but the dust collection is not good and no one mentions them around here:http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/milwaukee-2734-10'-sliding-compound-miter-saw/
 
So far deflection is a non issue. Why does this saw concern you with deflection ? I find it rock solid. Now that , Milwaukee 10” is a hunk of junk cheap feeling thing which is odd because their 12”maybe a beast but it sure feels solid to me.
 
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