MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback

Shane,

Somebody else might have mentioned this, but...  It might be good to get the MFK700 to a reviewer or two.   I suggest some people with extensive reviewing experience with the OF1010 and the accessories.   I'm not sure who might be, of course.   ;D

Dan.
 
Agree with Dave & Dan.  Get an MFK700 to Brice for review.

Ned

 
I've been edge trimming with my routers for years & never needed such a device.  I worked in a big shop in the early 90's & first saw this method I use.  We produced alot of commercial millwork, & the countertops often had wooden edges, no matter what the surface.
 When I got there they had an old & large rockwell router (pre portercable, think about the 3 1/4 hp fixed base PC router in silver, with no plastic).  It was in it's original fixed base which was fastened to a double sub base plate.  The upper most base plate was a full base plate which extended away from one side of the router about 12".  To the underside of this base plate was a second 1/2" thick plate that only extended away from the bit & doubled up theextension of the top plate.  Now to look at the underside of the router base, you'll see thescond base is triangle shaped under the router itself, & partially surrrounds the cutter. This leaves the cutter, protruding through the top most base plate, exposed about 240 degrees or so.
 A handle is added to the top of this sub base next to the fixed base, but out on the extension.  This base is total  maybe 3/4" thick.
 To use it you must first adjust a 1"diam.  end mill type cutter (or a large diam. plunge bit) in your router to just kiss a piece of paper set under the router (not the base plate).  Next place the router on your counter top & proceed to trim down the exposed edges, a papers thickness away from the surface.
 This works very well in that the cutter action in relation to the grain of the edge is optimal.  If you cut from the side with a rotating cutter you'll tear up the grain. That sucks :P.  With the router on top but cutting with the underside of the cutter, you'll get perfect results.  Plastic laminate on the bottom of the sub base is a good way to always move smoothly about with the router.
 I only use a card scraper to clean off the machine marks, a good end mill cutter in your router will leave few, & there is no grain tear out ever.  I saw a great cutter for this in the eagle catalog I just got recently.  They even described it as such.
 
Ned Young said:
Agree with Dave & Dan.  Get an MFK700 to Brice for review.

Ned

 Hey, why stop at the MFK 700, what about the folks who'd like to see me review the other new tools, we can't leave them out. Reviewing new tools is a tough job but somebody has to do it.  ;D
 
Brice, I agree that it is a very tough job and so ONLY to lighten your load I am offering to review the Kapex.  ;) I will set it up right along my Makita LS1013 and give it a real work out. You are of course welcome in advance for my thoughtfulness of your heavy load.  ;D :o ::) ;) Fred
 
At that price it's a very low priority. It does look neat though. If I was more of a tool-acquirer type I'd go for it...
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Good Morning,
Following up on the success of the MFT3 discussion, I realized it would be a good idea to post an open-ended thread on each new tool release, where we can collect member opinions, questions, and feedback in one place.  This does not have to be the only place we discuss the tool, but it can help bring our thoughts together.  After the tool is released, these discussions can make future searches on the forum more productive.

This discussion is for the MFK 700 Modular Router.  View Festool's MFK 700 Micro Website.

So, what are your questions, interests, opinions, and suggestions on the MFK 700?

Festool is listening!

Matthew

Matthew,

I'm glad you started this thread.  I have not been able to access the MFK 700 "mini-site" or any of the other mini-sites set up by Festool through the links given in the latest edition of sysnotes.

Dave R.
 
Yea, I was surprised to see that the trim router is going to sell for more than the larger 1010 and 1400 plunge routers.

Tom.
 
It's not a trim router.  It's a gadget & a trick.  Designed to get your tax refund check.  Be strong  ;)

  IMO, trim routers should cost about $150.00 tops.  I think it's the literal translation of "trim router",.... one hundred & fifty dollars.  You can look it up in the book of literal translations.  ;D
 
A trim router is the guy who hangs out right on the edge of a VIP lounge in a club and only lets drunk twins through the velvet rope.  ;D
 
Hi all,

How would you like a first rate horizontal router that easily mounts on the side of the new or the old MFT and can cut everything from male sliding dovetails to edge profiles with great dust collection?  How about one 8mm bolt 25mm long, a washer and nut as the only mounting hardware needed with no modification to the router itself?  How about screwing in US standard guide bushings perfectly centered for use on dovetail jigs, the MFS and just about any inlay template?  How about a perfect fit on Keller, Kehoe, Kattie, Gifkins and most every other dovetail jig that uses bearing guided bits instead of guide bushings?  (I don't yet have the proper guide bushings for the VS-600 but it looks like a natural there too).  How about very low noise and almost no vibration?  Oh yes, it also is a really good trim router.  Welcome to the MFK 700!  I have just scratched the surface on this surprising gem and am blown away by how small, light weight and capable it is.  I think it may become the sleeper in the line of Festool offerings once more people actually get it in their hands and use it for things way beyond "just" trim routing. 

I doubt if the designers actually intended for it to be so easily mounted to the sides of the MFTs for use as a horizontal router, but they provided an as yet undocumented perfect 8mm mounting hole just outboard of the depth lock knob on the standard vertical base.  Insert an 8mm bolt through that hole and into the side "T" slot, add a washer and nut and it tightens perfectly against the edge.  You can rotate it in a wide arc to put the bit in just about any position below or above the table top that you need.  There also is a handy cast in ramp on the side of the base that makes it easy to slide any one of the stops that fit into the "T" track up against that ramp when the bit is in the correct position that will lock it there.  Screw scrap wood against that same side with 8mm bolts in the "T" track to make a larger, taller or wider fence.  It all takes less time to do than to describe.  The DC port sticks conveniently up at just the right angle, the on-off switch and speed control are right in front of you.  Couldn't have been designed better for this use.

The new MFT is even better than the old for this purpose as there is greater depth below the top of the table and down to the top of the side "V" track so a greater range of bits will fit in that space without impacting on the aluminum.  There is room in the adjustment arc to even place a false top on top of the MFT surface and still have good bit adjustment so you can make all kinds of fence, table, holddown fixtures if you need them.  If I sound excited about this, I am.  More as I get time to really wring this thing out.

Jerry
 
Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can loosen one thumb screw and the body lifts right off from the base while it is still mounted on the side of the MFT so changing bits is really fast and easy with this set up.  Bit depth adjustment range is about 16mm and can be easily adjusted in sub 1mm increments so that is more than enough for most dovetail, inlay and edging work.  More as I learn more. 

Jerry
 
Jerry,

If I may drop a subtle hint...

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Or, perhaps...  No pics; didn't happen!  ;D

Have a nice day,

Dan.
(Resident picture cop)

 
In trying to put the cost of the MFK700 into perspective, I did an analysis (it is the engineer in me).  All of these prices are AFTER the 4/1/08 price incerase.

MFK700 Kit with 2 bases, Zero Degree Horizontal Base and Edge Guide - $701.50
OF1010EQ, Edge Guiide, Fine Adjustment and 4 accessories for edge routing - $568.00
OF1400EQ, Edge Guide, Guide Stop and 4 accessories for edge routing - $733.50

If a person already owns the OF1010EQ or OF1400EQ, the 4 accessories for edge routing cost $156.00.

Some differences between the MFK700 and the OF1010EQ/OF1400EQ are:

1/2" collet only on the OF1400EQ
MFK700 is not a plunge router, the other two are plunge routers.
MFK700 is lighter than OF1010EQ, and much lighter than the OF1400EQ
MFK700 has no guide rail attachment, the other two do

While none of these routers is perfect for everything, they all have some similar capabilities, with unique characteristics for each one.  A home-based woodworker could probably get along quite well with only one of these routers.

In my case, I have the OF1400EQ plus a 3 base PC kit, 3 trim routers and a router table.  One does seem to collect routers over time!  I am considering selling all of the hand-held routers except the OF1400EQ and buying the MFK700 or the edge routing accessories for the OF1400EQ.  Obviously adding the edge routing kit to the OF1400EQ is the economical way to go, but...  Decisions, decisions.  Hopefully this information will help some folks.
 
Hi David,

I agree with your assessment but think the zero degree horizontal base for the 700 would be needed only for very special situations for most, so would take the price of that gizmo out of your analysis.  That said, your conclusions hold.  Any one of the routers will serve many purposes and circumstances. 

The question that I am asked most is how to cut male sliding dovetails.  For that, a horizontal router jig is the best and safest method especially for larger work pieces.  The jig I outline in Appendix A of the "Getting the most from the Festool MFS System" manual works well for the 1000/1010 routers and could be adapted for the 1400 as well.  But the ease of one bolt mounting of the 700 to the side of a MFT with no modification to the router at all is really compelling if you do very much cutting of male DTs and other edge work like I do with so much demand for rail, stile and panel designs. 

I like the simple straight profile on the grove side of the rails and stiles and always chamfer the edges at 45 degrees for a finished look and better feel.  There is a really slick little bit designed for edge trim work that features a wide bearing guide, a flat inline cutter to finish that face and a 45 degree bevel to cut the chamfer at the same time.  By mounting the 700 horizontally on the side of the new MFT3 that bit clears the top of the aluminum side extrusion with the guide bearing flush with the MFT3 top.  The bearing supports the portion of the rail and stile pieces (usually 50mm by 20mm in my standard) that overhand the top of the MFT3 while the edge is flushed with the base plate on the 700 router.  Voila!  Instant chamfer machine.

Turn one thumb screw and the router comes loose from the base.  Change to the dovetail bit, make one simple height adjustment and cut your male sliding dovetails on the finished rail, stile and panel components.  Take everything to the finish room, do the finish work in the flat, then simply slide the pieces together to form the completed furniture piece.

I just finished an interesting new wine sales counter and a companion display table for the largest winery in Oregon - Bridgeview.  The sales counter is made entirely from rail, stile and panel components that simply slid together for final assembly.  Rails and stiles in highly Oregon big leaf maple and panels in book matched flame redwood burl.  The whole thing could have been transported flat and assembled on site, but I don't do site work so it is easier for me to assemble in my own studio and transport the assembled piece.  Either way, I know of no faster means to a really stunning furniture piece and the 700 hanging on the edge of the MFT3 (or the previous style MFT) is the fastest and best way I know to do the chamfer and male SD work on such pieces.

I have 700, 1000, 1010, 1400 and 2200 Festool routers plus a PC monster in a router table and an equally monster Bosch unit for garbage work, so have the luxury to select the one best suited for each task.  Prior to the 700 I mounted the 1000 or 1010 on the side of a MFT to cut the male SDs for large assemblies.  Now it is no question that becomes the domain of the 700.  For the hobbyist or professional without the luxury, the ROI justification, or the budget to afford all four, the choice becomes tougher.  My answer to the which ONE router is "best" remains the 1400, but the 700 has now entered the "best" recommendation for those who do (or want to do) a lot of rail, stile and panel or other edge routing work.  I think it will rapidly moving up the "best" recommendation list for those who use dovetail jigs but more on that when I have time to go hands on with all the DT jigs in my studio and learn the limits in each of these applications.

Jerry

PS - I know the no pics cops will ticket me for this post (grin) but I will get pics posted on my web site in appropriate places when I get a few minutes to do so this weekend.  Since I need to post them there anyway, it is faster and easier for me to give a URL ref than to resize and attach the pics here as well.  I have yet to master that seemingly simple task.

Daviddubya said:
In trying to put the cost of the MFK700 into perspective, I did an analysis (it is the engineer in me).  All of these prices are AFTER the 4/1/08 price incerase.

MFK700 Kit with 2 bases, Zero Degree Horizontal Base and Edge Guide - $701.50
OF1010EQ, Edge Guiide, Fine Adjustment and 4 accessories for edge routing - $568.00
OF1400EQ, Edge Guide, Guide Stop and 4 accessories for edge routing - $733.50

If a person already owns the OF1010EQ or OF1400EQ, the 4 accessories for edge routing cost $156.00.

Some differences between the MFK700 and the OF1010EQ/OF1400EQ are:

1/2" collet only on the OF1400EQ
MFK700 is not a plunge router, the other two are plunge routers.
MFK700 is lighter than OF1010EQ, and much lighter than the OF1400EQ
MFK700 has no guide rail attachment, the other two do

While none of these routers is perfect for everything, they all have some similar capabilities, with unique characteristics for each one.  A home-based woodworker could probably get along quite well with only one of these routers.

In my case, I have the OF1400EQ plus a 3 base PC kit, 3 trim routers and a router table.  One does seem to collect routers over time!  I am considering selling all of the hand-held routers except the OF1400EQ and buying the MFK700 or the edge routing accessories for the OF1400EQ.  Obviously adding the edge routing kit to the OF1400EQ is the economical way to go, but...   Decisions, decisions.  Hopefully this information will help some folks.
 
Thanks for the upate on the 700 Jerry!  Sounds really exciting.  A smaller router for the VS600 would be very appealing.

Hope this means there is a Jerry Work manual coming.

 
Jerry, what a beautiful analysis of the dovetail portion of the 700. I had already decided to purchase it but I love when I get real world reasons that back up my decision. Like Jesse mentioned I also hope that you will be writing a manual or something similar for the 700. Thank you again, Fred
 
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