New Dominos Coming to North America

[mino]

There is also BSPP - which is a straight thread variant - I don't see this except in UK, Austrailia and Europe and even then it is rare

The BSPP stuff is actually pretty easy to distinguish from BSP. Any semi-competent plumber can recognize a tapered versus straight it just by looking. It is used /mostly/ with washer-style seals while the tapered threads are used only with thread seals. I remember figuring this out while I was like 12 years old when sorting out our taps. Not noticing this is pure sloppiness...

The BSP versus NPT I can see being a much bigger problem - not as easy to distinguish at a glance, I would venture from your description.

 

[Hipplewm]

The BSPP stuff is actually pretty easy to distinguish from BSP. Any semi-competent plumber can recognize a tapered versus straight it just by looking. It is used /mostly/ with washer-style seals while the tapered threads are used only with thread seals. I remember figuring this out while I was like 12 years old when sorting out our taps. Not noticing this is pure sloppiness...

The BSP versus NPT I can see being a much bigger problem - not as easy to distinguish at a glance, I would venture from your description.

Yeah, I have nothing to do with plumbing - I usually get involved when a plant has been built by the lowest bidder and installed one of these bad boys - https://www.ksb.com/en-us/lc/Products/Pump/Ring-section-pump/c/LIP/H63A and the pipefitters (I guess they may be plumberesque) they are definitely not used to seeing BSP in the US and they jam in NPT - figure out it doesn't work - then jam in some combination of JB weld or some other epoxy to get them past commision and get paid. Then the poor bastars who own the plant have to pay us a crap ton of money to refurb those things and drill/tap everything to NPT.

It is all for goofy stuff like oil and water drain lines - but they are under pressure when running so they leak constantly and make a huge mess - so the plant wants them cleaned - but doesn't want to pay and the manufacturer says the installer used the wrong fittings etc so no warranty - big circle jerk and I end up fixing it all.

 

[ChuckS]

then jam in some combination of JB weld or some other epoxy to get them past commision and get paid. Then the poor bastars who own the plant have to pay us a crap ton of money to refurb those things and drill/tap everything to NPT.

When they did that, didn't the business owner who paid them complain about it to the highest corporate level possible? Google reviews, BBB (if they are a member of it), etc.are additional avenues to share their story -- in detail.

 

[Cheese]

FWIW...the Vac Sys came from Festool with both BSP & BSPP fittings. This cheat sheet helped me out a lot.

Here are some new Vac Sys fittings ordered from Festool, however once assembled, it's easy to identify the BSP vs the BSPP fittings.

 

[ChuckS]

In your case, it seems every time you tighten the lever, you need to turn the handle more than once to reach its grip and then turn the handle back to its top position. That is not much, but compared to my factory lever, I only need to turn it once down to its final position.

I haven't had a chance to try the R model; I have something to return and will definitely play with it when I'm at Lee Valley Tools.

I was at the local LVT store, but to my surprise and disappointment, not only the new DF500 machines were not on display, no Domino machines of any model could be found. That was odd as they have been accepting orders on their website.

Before I left, I picked up an end stop for my set of edge rules. Priced similarly but designed differently, it's a super fancy version of the Woodpeckers' plastic end stops.

 

[luvmytoolz]

I was at the local LVT store, but to my surprise and disappointment, not only the new DF500 machines were not on display, no Domino machines of any model could be found. That was odd as they have been accepting orders on their website.

Before I left, I picked up an end stop for my set of edge rules. Priced similarly but designed differently, it's a super fancy version of the Woodpeckers' plastic end stops.

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Plastic end stops? I can see why you bought the Veritas then!

 

[ChuckS]

Woodpeckers sells this product for its edge rules:

https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-woodworkers-edge-rule.html

 

[luvmytoolz]

Woodpeckers sells this product for its edge rules:

https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-woodworkers-edge-rule.html

I love the ruler design, that's really nifty, but if the stops are plastic, yeah nah, I'll pass.

I'm sure they'd be perfectly adequate, but with my ham fists I'd break them for sure.

The Veritas one looks nice though!

 

[Cheese]

Before I left, I picked up an end stop for my set of edge rules. Priced similarly but designed differently, it's a super fancy version of the Woodpeckers' plastic end stops.

I purchased that Woodpeckers rule and was initially disappointed that the rule stop AND the set screw are both molded plastic. The rule is fantastic for laying out projects on flat surfaces as it has 6 different scales.

However, after using it for a while, I realized that the choice of using polymer materials for those parts was probably to prevent scratching of the anodized surface. Actually, that was a nice choice that Woodpeckers made. .

 

[ChuckS]

Yes, the softer material has its advantage. Your previous disclosure that you tend to over tighten small things is also not lost on me.

 

[ChuckS]

I examined the Veritas end stop in detail and tried it, turning the screw with light to moderate to high pressure. Even with snug-fit finger pressure, the self-squaring clamp was fully secured.

Then, I tightened the screw with more than necessary finger pressure and was expecting a light mark or dent on the edge of the rule: it didn't. I believe the screw end was flat enough to secure but not mark.

Yet, over time and if with excessive screwing, I do expect to see dent marks on the rule.

 

[WendtWood]

I like the added features on the base with the added reference pins, but can't seem to buy a hole new machine for the base. Might however look at EKAT later and by the base as a new part.

I did go to EKAT and got the new attachment and it works great.

 

[Hipplewm]

I did go to EKAT and got the new attachment and it works great.

so you retrofitted the new guide plate onto an older domino and everything worked fine - did you have to calibrate center at all?

 

[NewWoodWorkerVA]

so you retrofitted the new guide plate onto an older domino and everything worked fine - did you have to calibrate center at all?

Also very interested in this. Does alignment work when referencing the pins? Is the reticle aligned correctly or does it need to be adjusted?

 

[mino]

Also very interested in this. Does alignment work when referencing the pins? Is the reticle aligned correctly or does it need to be adjusted?

Every time you swap a calibratable item like a reticle you re-calibrate it.

Not sure why this surprises or bothers people. That is why the thing is calibratable to begin. This is the same stuff like calibrating multiple saws to the same rail. You may not need adjust them if they come close-enough, but that is about it.

 

[ChuckS]

I don't think domino joiner owners are concerned about calibration or the need to do it, but rather, they want to know if it's calibratable. No one wants to spend $500 (?) and find out the new fence is only good for rough work.

I haven't watched the alignment issue clip posted by the two-minute workshop content maker (his name slipped my mind), but so far those who said the new fence was fully compatible haven't provided much detail or responded to questions from those who want to know more.

Any official words from Festool? I would've thought that someone might have asked Festool directly.

 

[NewWoodWorkerVA]

I just ordered it and it said shipping in like 12 weeks and 6 days. Hopefully that's an error! And hopefully this is not a $500 bad gamble. Yes I can recalibrate the reticle. But I'm really buying it for the pin stops. I only plan to use this with one domino so won't be moving to multiple machines. I'll take my current (old) base and leave it permanently attached to a domino mortising jig I have.

 

[Hipplewm]

I just ordered it and it said shipping in like 12 weeks and 6 days. Hopefully that's an error! And hopefully this is not a $500 bad gamble. Yes I can recalibrate the reticle. But I'm really buying it for the pin stops. I only plan to use this with one domino so won't be moving to multiple machines. I'll take my current (old) base and leave it permanently attached to a domino mortising jig I have.

This is my exact use case and if you look above when i went to order it was like Mid June for shipment - I have not ordered it as of yet.... https://festoolownersgroup.com/threads/new-dominos-coming-to-north-america.77735/post-754352

I am like you, I don't care about calibration as it wil get done once and that is it, as long as it CAN be calibrated to an older machine, I'll leave the vertical foot on the old base and swap bases for vertical vs swapping the foot.

 

[NewWoodWorkerVA]

This is my exact use case and if you look above when i went to order it was like Mid June for shipment - I have not ordered it as of yet.... https://festoolownersgroup.com/threads/new-dominos-coming-to-north-america.77735/post-754352

I am like you, I don't care about calibration as it wil get done once and that is it, as long as it CAN be calibrated to an older machine, I'll leave the vertical foot on the old base and swap bases for vertical vs swapping the foot.

Interesting the ship date April 6th was also 12 weeks 6 days. Must be a system default for something.

 

[mino]

Interesting the ship date April 6th was also 12 weeks 6 days. Must be a system default for something.

Yeah. That is 90 days exact .. sounds like (regular shipping schedule from Germany) + (shipping time for the container) + (days local handling).
Pretty sure Festool would stock spares for their repair center separately from customer orders, so any FOG "bank runs" do not affect their repair schedules.

This is the same in Europe.
I could get my CT repaired in 3 days including shipping or wait for the parts needed to arrive at my dealer for three weeks /as those parts will not be taken from local stock of the repair centre, nor will the dealer make a custom order-out-of-schedule for me/.