New fesBoschtool drills lol

[joiner1970]

These new Bosch drill attachments look very familiar lol [emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji3]

Bosch GSR 14,4 V-EC FC2 - GSR 18 V-EC FC2 Profess…:

 

[jonny round boy]

Yes, I'm sure I've seen something like those before somewhere... [scratch chin]

I'd like a Festool version of that SDS+ adaptor though!

 

[AlexThePalex]

They can thank Festool once again for setting a standard. But it's good to see other brands pick up on good ideas. I can already see several improvements Bosch made, changing the position of the chuck without having to take it off, the SDS adapter and a locking bit holder on the shaft of the drill. I hope the build quality is just as good as Festools'

I surely would like to be able to click such and SDS adapter on my T15. Festool?

 

[sae]

They can thank Festool once again for setting a standard. But it's good to see other brands pick up on good ideas. I can already see several improvements Bosch made, changing the position of the chuck without having to take it off, the SDS adapter and a locking bit holder on the shaft of the drill. I hope the build quality is just as good as Festools'

I surely would like to be able to click such and SDS adapter on my T15. Festool?

I like that the hex holding chuck is locking and not just magnetic. I can't deal w/ just magnet, especially for Torx where the grip on the fastener usually means the bit falls out of the chuck instead of pulling the bit off the fastener.

SDS adapter, is it actually a rotary hammer? Or just throwing an SDS bit on a hammerdrill?

 

[Wuffles]

I reckon it's a rotary stop adaptor. Bosch have been flogging them for over 10 years for the non-rotary stop SDS drills. So this thing will slip over a hammer drill and allow you to use an sds bit...quite why you'd do that is totally beyond me.

 

[AlexThePalex]

SDS adapter, is it actually a rotary hammer? Or just throwing an SDS bit on a hammerdrill?

I reckon it's a rotary stop adaptor. Bosch have been flogging them for over 10 years for the non-rotary stop SDS drills. So this thing will slip over a hammer drill and allow you to use an sds bit...quite why you'd do that is totally beyond me.

Guys, it's all in the video. Looks like a real adapter to me, that transforms a standard drill's rotation into pneumatic hammer action.
 
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[sae]

Yeah I saw the adapter, can't really tell what's going on inside of it though.

Is it a sleeve with a mass inside of it like a real rotary hammer? Or is it just a bit adapter with some ability for the bit to move around in?

edit: here's more info in German, doesn't say much more than bit size and length though.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Or is it just a bit adapter with some ability for the bit to move around in?

If it were, would they have to make it this big?

 

[dutchie]

Have to say looks really good. Really like the locking 1/4" hex adapter. I am curious where this drill is made. In Germany/Swiss or in China.

So now Metabo, Milwaukee (and AEG) and Bosch have some sort of interchangable 'Festool-like' system with their drills. That just leaves DeWalt, Makita and Panasonic to join the party?

 

[Davej]

Or is it just a bit adapter with some ability for the bit to move around in?

If it were, would they have to make it this big?

 
If you think of how far an sds bit goes into the chuck then yes it does have to be that big/ long

 

[johnleve]

When did Festool start making drills with the removable chucks?  I had a Black and Decker Firestorm drill from I think around the turn of the millennium (2001/2002?) that had a similar system.  The drill came with a detachable jacobs chuck which connected to the body of the drill with a 1/4 hex.  You could remove the jacobs and use the 1/4 with a bit.  I am not sure whether or not they made any other chucks or if it was just their solution to speed up the drilling and then driving process.  It actually worked fairly well in that regard as you could drill and then pop off the jacobs and insert a 1/4 bit and immediately drive.  I have always kind of wondered which came first, heck, the idea may not have originated with either.

I personally 'prefer' to have a full assortment of drills and drivers so I can have a bunch set up for specific purposes of a project and proceed to knock them over, forget where I put the one I need, not to mention playing the battery swap game.  I was looking at my collection and I have two 18v impacts, one 18v drill, one 18v hammer-drill, one 12v drill, one 12v impact, and my favorite the CXS.  Fortunately all the non-Festools are the same brand use the same style battery of which I now have 5.  I wish I had purchased a C15 (make an 18 please) long ago but now cannot justify it.  If Festool does make a C18 in the future and a battery compatible (good) impact driver I would more than likely take the plunge and get the set.  Festool could seal the deal with a PDC available for purchase in NA.

 

[AlexThePalex]

If you think of how far an sds bit goes into the chuck then yes it does have to be that big/ long

It doesn't go in that deep, only 40 mm. From wikipedia:

SDS-Plus: a 10 mm shank with two open grooves held by the driving wedges and two closed grooves held by locking balls. This is the most common size and takes a hammer up to 4 kg. The wedges grip an area of 75 mm2 (0.116 sq in) and the shank is inserted 40 mm into the chuck.[5]

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According to the German pamflet sae provided above, the chuck is 146 mm long, that leaves 106 mm for a mechanism.

Translation of the specs, from the German pamflet:

- High flexibility: The hammer drill attachment GHA FC2 Professional changes the drill/driver into a full SDS-Plus hammer drill.
- Powerfull: Thanks to the innovative hammer mechanism it is possible to drill effortlessly in hard concrete up to 10 mm.
- Compact: With a length of only 146 mm, the mounted attachment (incl. drill/driver) is considerably more compact than conventional hammer drills.

Weight: 0,8 Kg.
Size: 146 x 58 x 58 mm

Although it calls it a full SDS-Plus hammer drill it doesn't specifically mention what mechanism is inside. But if it can drill "effortlessly" into hard concrete with drills up to 10 mm, you can draw your own conclusion about what kind of mechanism is inside. My pretty powerfull 220v corded drill with standard (non-pneumatic) percussion mechanism can not do this. 
 

 

[AlexThePalex]

When did Festool start making drills with the removable chucks?  I had a Black and Decker Firestorm drill from I think around the turn of the millennium (2001/2002?) that had a similar system. 
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I have always kind of wondered which came first, heck, the idea may not have originated with either.

Festool started with removable chucks in 2001. Their first model was the CDD 12 FX, which was a FastFix conversion from their then current model CDD 12. I have both a CDD 12 and a CDD 12 FX from 2001.

I am pretty sure the idea of removable chucks exist as long as power drills exist, so neither a Festool nor B&D invention. I do know B&D experimented a lot with all kinds of add-ons for their drills for the home market, in order to give home owners a lot of possibilities with just one tool.
 

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

Thats an awesome drill!  I wonder when it will hit the states.  I like my t15 but I wish it had a hammer drill option.  I definitely like the bosch sds chuck!!

 

[Wooden Skye]

Thats an awesome drill!  I wonder when it will hit the states.  I like my t15 but I wish it had a hammer drill option.  I definitely like the bosch sds chuck!!

I agree, probably hit the states when pigs fly

 

[cue003]

I wonder the price point and if it would drive the festool price down now there is becoming less differentiation between festool and the competitors.

 

[GregBradley]

A SDS+ drill designed to drill 10mm in concrete is the VERY low end of SDS+ drills. A typical Hammer Drill works pretty well in hard concrete up to 1/4" or 6mm. VERY small SDS+ drills are rated for 3/4" and work really well up to 10-11mm or so in concrete. Small SDS+ drills like my Bosch 36v cordless 11536VS or my old 11236vs corded Rotary Hammer are WAY above that performance. They are rated at 1 1/8" and work really well up to 5/8-3/4" in hard concrete, where the smaller SDS Max tools take over.  If you want to drill very efficiently in concrete or masonry, you need to match the tool to the job as the power of the hammer is important and the rotary power is used only to remove the waste from the hole. If you are only drilling a hole rarely, it isn't so important.

Concrete work is so unbelievably hard on drills that I wouldn't even dream of using my Festool CXS or T15 around that kind of abuse. They are meant for nicer work. Seems these Bosch drills are like many new tools. Marketing instead of actual usefulness. It may do a lot of different things but not sure it does any one really well. I'm sure it will sell tools but not sure there is much reason for serious professionals to try to make one tool do that many different jobs.

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

I agree that theres a job suited best for every tool.  It would be awesome to drill with the sds feature.  It would be awesome if festool had this attachment.    A 1/4 in hole is perfect size for attaching bath accessories and is percise work.  Not planning on drilling 100 5/8in holes with it. 

 

[SittingElf]

"One Ring to Rule Them All".....

Nah.... Thanks, but I prefer having my dedicated BHC for specific SDS drilling. 

Trying to do everything with a single tool can't do what the tools designed for a specific function do better. Example is Ryobi's multi head trimmer, hedger, edger, chain saw, and whatever else it has heads for.  Yes is sort of works, but not one of the heads works as efficiently as a well designed specific function lawn tool.  Same with the drills IMHO. [smile]

Cheers,

Frank

 

[AlexThePalex]

Wow, what do I read? Festool has different heads for years now and nothing but praise for the added functionality, and people keep asking for more different heads. Bosch now does the same thing and adds one extra head and "suddenly" they're a jack of all trades but a master of none.

How typical of some in this crowd.

As for the power of the SDS head, of course it's not that powerful, it's only a small 14,4 volt drill driving it. But if it can make holes up to 10 mm, most jobs in and around the house are covered. Would be ideal for me, I don't encounter much jobs where I need a full SDS drill, but sometimes when I do, an attachment like this on my T15 would come in very handy. And my T15 is not just for the "nice" jobs, it's for every job that needs some precisely dosed rotation.