New Festool TKS-80 ?

[sancho57]

ive never hirt my self when I used the safety blade guard, and a push stick. I got hurt once but didnt use said safety items and I've been doing this for over 25 years

 

[DeformedTree]

This isn’t the 1980’s, there isn’t a clearly defined American market vs European market. When people want something not available here they just import it. I have several tools here that were imported from UK and Germany, including Festool no big deal Fedex DHL and UPS have made it as easy as me ordering something from New York

I had the top of the line Sawstop saw the month it came out and loved it. Circumstances change and now the size of my garage shop is 1/4the size and I want something as safe but MUCH smaller and able to fold up like my MFT and Kapex

The sawstop contractor saw is nowhere the same quality or fit and finish of their larger ones. They had to cut too many corners to make it a mass market saw. I’m not interested in mass market nor is Festool. The first day trying asawstop contractor saw the whole fence assembly broke and even the dealer could not fix it. It’s NO WAY a precision piece like what I expect of Festool

The day it’s released in Europe is fine for me, I’ll have it the same week, without warranty
I’m just wondering if they will and when release it in Europe

Not sure when or how you did it, but my experience in getting a NAINA festool product took many tries over a few months to have success in getting one.  It would be fine if it was so easy, but companies like festool are very active in stopping people from getting stuff.  While sites like Amazon have improved things in recent times to allow folks to buy cross borders, you still are limited by the companies making or selling the products. 

Obviously if someone wanted, they could set up a business with a European contact that buys stuff there, ships, and then person resells it here like any regular private party sale. Assuming they pay all VAT/duties/Imports/taxes etc along the way companies like Festool wouldn't be able to do anything other than not support a warranty.  If a company doesn't want to sell something in various countries that is there business to do so.  Of course at someone point a large company steps in with the government and does something like Mercedes did and get a 25 year import ban on cars into the US. 

I would love to see more European companies see the US as just another place to sell stuff and allow people to buy their stuff right out of the EU, but for various reasons most want to alter products for the US or set up an operation here, which involves too much, so they just don't.  I give Mafell some credit here where they understand that you can sell products here as-is and not make them US special. Of course some products they do make US versions of too. Saws like the Erika 85 mentioned is just the German version, no changes.  Still many companies will always think they need to ameri-fy products.  Look at festool removing metric markings on the tools.

Of course you will always have interesting the US trying to stop things too, they don't want competition, people have more options to buy the things they want.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

The TKS-80 will be available in the UK some time in 2020.
If I lived in the states, I wouldn’t be looking at a TKS-80, when I have the choice of all those lovely SawStop machines.

The TKS-80 is a nice saw but, no push pull facility, so I’m out.  [wink]

 

[Intex]

The problem is that 5hey are all much larger than theTKS80, and the smallest sawstop is Not that “lovely”

 

[DeformedTree]

The TKS-80 will be available in the UK some time in 2020.
If I lived in the states, I wouldn’t be looking at a TKS-80, when I have the choice of all those lovely SawStop machines.

The TKS-80 is a nice saw but, no push pull facility, so I’m out.  [wink]

Mount the TKS-80 on casters, now it's push pull.

Folks will always want what they can't have.  Folks in the US want stuff from Europe they can't have, and folks from Europe want stuff from the US they don't get...

 

[Stan Tillinghast]

Well, I just caught on to this and watched the German and French YT videos.
For me the small size and collapsibility of the TKS-80, combined with Sawstop technology, would make the TKS-80 extremely attractive for my small, non-table saw-centric shop.

 

[simonh]

If Festool are listening please put a mitreslot on the table for use with 3rd party mitre gauges rather than the cs50/70 arrangement. 

 

[FestitaMakool]

From the scetch drawing available, there seems to be a mitre slot. If this is of standard type, or the ones that is currently on CS50/70 remains to be seen.
I did se by this photo attached that there might be a new roller for the mitre gauge. This could very well fit CS50/70 saws.

 

[simonh]

Hopefully it's a standard mitre slot. Not sure I'm keen on the look of that mitre slider using the usual Festool angle setter. I'd prefer to use 3rd party. Also, things like featherboards, taper jigs all fit a standard mitre slot.  I really hope Festool learn from the technology industry that when a battle is lost just adopt the standard and move on, no one will thank you for been different.

I've been really looking forward to TKS80 as it is our one chance for Sawstop technology in Europe. I've never needed the technology but would love to have it available just like I've never needed airbags in my car but am happy to know they are there.

 

[Gregor]

I hope they were smart enough to implement a quick and tool-free way to replace the extraction hood holder with a guide wedge (or an empty space, if needed), to get rid of one of the top 3 annoyances (for me) of the CMS-TS.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Hopefully it's a standard mitre slot. Not sure I'm keen on the look of that mitre slider using the usual Festool angle setter. I'd prefer to use 3rd party. Also, things like featherboards, taper jigs all fit a standard mitre slot.  I really hope Festool learn from the technology industry that when a battle is lost just adopt the standard and move on, no one will thank you for been different.

Sorry, there is no miter slot on the saw. Pretty sure it is not going to be there too. Don't know what battle you're talking about, has there been one?

What do you think is wrong with Festool's angle setter? I use it all the time with my CS70, it's dead on and easy to move and adjust.

 

[FestitaMakool]

The new CS50 has a quick way to remove the extraction hood. Maybe the new CS 50/70  hood can be used on the TS module? Although it may need to replace the “knife” as well. But worth looking into.

 

[bertv]

I've been really looking forward to TKS80 as it is our one chance for Sawstop technology in Europe. I've never needed the technology but would love to have it available just like I've never needed airbags in my car but am happy to know they are there.

Not true ‚ there are some (sliding) table saw brands (Italian, I think) that have (and had) a safety feature to prevent hurting yourself. This was mentioned in a topic some time ago, I think.

 

[demographic]

For me not having a mitre slot is a massive turn off.
Means its a lot harder to make shop made jigs and means I'd have to buy them from Festool at silly money prices.

I'd honestly rather just have a proper tablesaw. Sawstop technology is a good idea but I kind of don't get the Festool CMS saw idea either. Always seemed like a good way to spend money and not get that great a tablesaw to me.

Don't get me wrong, I really rate some Festool gear but I'm not buying tbeir stuff because I love the logo, I've got to see that its better than the competition.

 

[simonh]

What do you think is wrong with Festool's angle setter? I use it all the time with my CS70, it's dead on and easy to move and adjust.

I just find the presets have too much slop in them. Whereas the Incra laser cut gauge or the JessEm CNC machined gauge are much better are repeatability.

I understand the CS50/70 are pull saws so the slot on the track can be used to fasten the piece been crosscut to the bed. But the TKS-80 is not going to be a pull saw so will need some way of sliding a fence to make a crosscut. I'd just prefer that to be a standard mitre slot (20mm like Dewalt, Bosch, Makita etc. is fine by me). I've made various jigs on my CNC that attach to my MFT using the V-Groove and I just can't imagine there's any advantage to using that for a slider instead of a slot on the table surface.  Guess we'll see.

 

[Gregor]

For me not having a mitre slot is a massive turn off.
Means its a lot harder to make shop made jigs and means I'd have to buy them from Festool at silly money prices.

The Festool CMS/MFT-like tables have the v-grove, it can be put to good use to guide shop-made jigs.

 

[FestitaMakool]

Hopefully it's a standard mitre slot. Not sure I'm keen on the look of that mitre slider using the usual Festool angle setter. I'd prefer to use 3rd party. Also, things like featherboards, taper jigs all fit a standard mitre slot.  I really hope Festool learn from the technology industry that when a battle is lost just adopt the standard and move on, no one will thank you for been different.

Sorry, there is no miter slot on the saw. Pretty sure it is not going to be there too. Don't know what battle you're talking about, has there been one?

What do you think is wrong with Festool's angle setter? I use it all the time with my CS70, it's dead on and easy to move and adjust.

- Are you sure about this? Reason for asking, is that in about every picture or video I have seen on the TKS 80, the center section of the table top seems to be a “dummy” prototype (maybe a coated MDF?) .. Festool have traditionally had these in aluminium, with their own T-track, such as CS 50/70. They may be covering up final production spec. (By purpose or by implementing feedback during prototype shows, which seems to be held for professionals)
(It could even turn out to be a disguised pull saw)

 

[yetihunter]

I’m willing to wager $$$ that the rip fence converts to a multi angle cross cutting miter fence just like every other similar euro-saw.  Also willing to wager $$$ that it will have an optional crosscut sled. 

 

[pingvinlakrits]

Felder seems to have one up on Festool on the table safety now:
https://www.facebook.com/feldergroupusa/videos/857046994655619/


Felder PCS - no cartridge to exchange, no maintenance, no blade or machine damage and just a button to reset the machine and keep going. Also, they are testing with their own fingers!  [eek]

Mind you, these are for the bigger machines but I think the Felder system seems better than Sawstop for the above reasons.

 

[Alanbach]

Sure, if you are willing to compare a $50,000 plus saw to a $3,500 saw.