new Festools January 2022 - battery powered CT SYS + MINI/MIDI + KAPEX

[DynaGlide]

Appears to have a street date of June next year.

 

[Coen]

A good long hose will be rather unique for a batterypowered vac.

 

[Cheese]

A good long hose will be rather unique for a batterypowered vac.

Ya, the Milwaukee has a 4' long hose which makes it basically useless. I think they shorten the hose to maintain the air flow at a decent rate.

 

[elfick]

A good long hose will be rather unique for a batterypowered vac.

Ya, the Milwaukee has a 4' long hose which makes it basically useless. I think they shorten the hose to maintain the air flow at a descent rate.

I was wondering how this was going to compare to other battery powered vacs. The Milwaukee in particular.

 

[FestitaMakool]

Working with Festool? - DynaGlide  [poke]

Thanks for these images.
Does it seem like the blower function was abandoned due to space for batteries?

I’m looking at a new Metabo 18V Compact for those small jobs. It has a very good stretchable hose, and a tool end just similar to Festool (It’s German..) It does also seem to fit the vac end of Festool DC’s - That way it’s very compatible except for the batteries.. I’ve had a look in person, and if you have CAS batteries, it’s got a very good price. I think it’s about $125 or close for the bare unit without batteries and charger.

Owe a link to the above:https://www.metabo.com/com/en/tools...ompact-602028850-cordless-vacuum-cleaner.html
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[ForumMFG]

I love the little milwaukee vac, so much more power than my ct-sys.  I also like the shorter hose, less clutter.  If i set up a miter-saw or want to sweep a large floor i break out the ct-sys.  Anything else the milwaukee.

Question about the new cordless ct-sys, where is the outlet for plugging in tools?

 

[squall_line]

Question about the new cordless ct-sys, where is the outlet for plugging in tools?

There isn't one; the batteries can only run the vac itself for a short time, adding tool power would drop that time precipitously.

It has integrated Bluetooth, so it's meant to pair with the cordless tools more than the corded ones.  You could use the hose-mounted button to activate with a corded tool if you so desired, but if you're close enough to power to plug in a tool, you're probably close enough to plug in a CT as well.

 

[tobiaskurz]

I have the German Festool catalog from 2022 already in my hands.

The CTC MINI / MIDI  has a flow rate of 3100 l/min (3700 l/min has the corded version) and a maximum pressure difference of 19000 Pa (24000 Pa has the corded version).

More interesting are the estimated runtimes:
- 2 x 4.0 Ah batteries -> 12 - 22 minutes (total weight 13.0 Kg)
- 2 x 5.2 Ah batteries -> 16 - 30 minutes (total weight 13.2 Kg)
- 2 x 8.0 Ah batteries -> 24 - 45 minutes (total weight 13.8 Kg)

Fore the autumn of next year the new 8.0 Ah batteries are announced.
Although new will be a twin Charger for the 18 V batteries. This-one will charge the two batteries parallel. Compared to the Hilti batteries charger with four slots that charges one after the other.

The CTC SYS has a flow rate of 2400 l/min (3000 l/min corded CT SYS) and a maximum pressure difference of 18000 Pa (20000 Pa corded CT SYS).

As we already now this unit can only take two 4.0 Ah batteries. With this you get a runtime from 14 to 25 minutes. The total weight is noted with 8.8 Kg

Attached pictures from the relevant sections from the catalog. 

 

[notenoughcash]

any pictures of the 8.0 anyone?

some serious run time with the tsc, and the 5.2 last long enough already

 

[GregorHochschild]

Any more info on the KSC 60? Maybe from the catalog [member=68960]tobiaskurz[/member]?

I have an eye on the Makita 40V XGT Cordless 8-1/2 in miter saw. I might wait for the KSC 60 though. Not an urgent purchase so I have time.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-...er-Saw-AWS-Capable-Tool-Only-GSL02Z/317345973

 

[DynaGlide]

[member=68960]tobiaskurz[/member] Thank you for sharing. Perhaps a picture with the tool numbers and possibly pricing?

 

[Cheese]

Here are some better photos of that little KSC 60...it looks pretty slick. [smile]

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[Coen]

14 minutes with dual 4.0 is double the energy use compared to the Bosch. Wonder if its regulated or sags well before it shuts off of low battery. That will require an insane stack of batteries if you want to feed it for say 70 minutes... 10.

 

[tobiaskurz]

The 8.0 Ah batterie is not shown. Only announced that it will be available from autumn next year.

The technical attributes from the KSC 60 are very close to the corded version. As fare as I remember. The KS 60 has a 1200 w drive as the TS 55. So the drive for the KSC may com from the already available TSC. Just a guess.

I am on the go and can't reach the catalog for the next couple of days. Try to answer the question regarding pricing and article numbers as sone as possible.

 

[ForumMFG]

Being that its cordless with no plug, I will definitely be importing this one to the states.  I highly doubt this will be offered to us since the corded version isn’t even available to us.  Love the idea of a small cordless kapex.  Its perfect for me. 

 

[squall_line]

Here are some better photos of that little KSC 60...it looks pretty slick. [smile]

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It looks like Hans Gruber took a hiatus from breaking into the bank vault in the Nakatomi Building to finish some of the construction on the 32nd floor.  [big grin]

Also, I like the looks of that double TCL-6.  That would be a handy add-in for the TSC, IMHO.  It might even get me excited about buying an Energy Set if I were in the market.  As it is, the only thing I need from an Energy Set is the Systainer insert; I have plenty of batteries and more chargers than I know what to do with, it seems.

 

[Cheese]

It looks like Hans Gruber took a hiatus from breaking into the bank vault in the Nakatomi Building to finish some of the construction on the 32nd floor.  [big grin]

Or maybe he's just constructing a ladder to break out...after the H&K P7M13 ran out of rounds.  [big grin] [big grin]

If this saw had been available 10 years ago when I was doing a lot of 3/4" thick wooden floors installs, I'd have purchased it in a hot New York minute...no questions asked, no need to know the price...Done.

 

[tobiaskurz]

[member=73419]GregorHochschild[/member] [member=65062]DynaGlide[/member]

Sorry that it took me so long. several pictures attached:

1. More information regarding the KAPEX (The KS 80 is not longer available)
2. Technical datas in comparison (KS 60, KSC 60 & KS 120)
3. Pricing and article numbers KAPEX

4. Additional informations about the battery powered dust extractors
5. Infos, prises and article numbers CTC SYS
6. Infos about the CTC MINI / MIDI
7. Pricind and artikle numbers CTC MINI / MIDI

if you have further questions I try my best.

 

[DynaGlide]

[member=68960]tobiaskurz[/member] Excellent thank you. It appears the basic CTC-SYS will be on par price wise with the current CT-SYS.

 

[Coen]

A good long hose will be rather unique for a batterypowered vac.

Ya, the Milwaukee has a 4' long hose which makes it basically useless. I think they shorten the hose to maintain the air flow at a decent rate.

Yeah but if not bound by an outlet you can just use it with the shoulder strap. In some cases you don't want the hose length anyway. It seems that is the route followed by most battery powered vacs. Longer hose also cuts into airflow.

Working with Festool? - DynaGlide  [poke]

Thanks for these images.
Does it seem like the blower function was abandoned due to space for batteries?

I’m looking at a new Metabo 18V Compact for those small jobs. It has a very good stretchable hose, and a tool end just similar to Festool (It’s German..) It does also seem to fit the vac end of Festool DC’s - That way it’s very compatible except for the batteries.. I’ve had a look in person, and if you have CAS batteries, it’s got a very good price. I think it’s about $125 or close for the bare unit without batteries and charger.

Owe a link to the above:https://www.metabo.com/com/en/tools...ompact-602028850-cordless-vacuum-cleaner.html
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They also have one in 'Systainer', right?
https://www.metabo.com/nl/nl/info/actueel/persberichten/nieuwe-accu-stofzuiger-as-18-l-pc/

That is what I hate about the Bosch 18V vac; not stackable, ridiculous form (and size) if hose and nozzles attached. And no bag means emptying is hell.