new Festools January 2022 - battery powered CT SYS + MINI/MIDI + KAPEX

[rst]

I have that Metabo bought because of the systainer possibilties...the is no latching function...still like the vac however.

 

[Coen]

I have that Metabo bought because of the systainer possibilties...the is no latching function...still like the vac however.

Huh? But you can put it on top of others though? Since you can also attach it to the carts?

 

[rst]

I have a Metabo concrete grinder and a concrete saw, thought I would be able to attach to the vac on top...but nooo

 

[yetihunter]

ROFL on the limitation of compact batteries only. Have you ever come across a more perfect definition of Festool? I can’t stop laughing.  Pure comedy gold.

Moving along from that hard pass, this catalogue, does it have any sort of metrics like CFM or water lift?  I waited and waited and waited for what I presumed would be a proper x2  72v  vac on the XGT lineup and Makita just recently pulled the rug out from under me with their vacs featuring two sequential 40v batteries (booooooo).  So, the cordless Mini and Midi are in the running.  But if you tell me 70 cfm at max, then I’ll stick with the extension cable.

edit: Saw the litres per minute.  Will be heading to google now. 

post google edit: 109 cfm? I can live with that.

The KSC 60 looks the business. No complaints there.  Thank you for fixing the mistake of making it corded in the first place.

 

[mac sparrow]

Will the corded CTL-Sys still be available and if so is it being updated to the new Sys3 style?

Thanks for the info in this thread, very helpful all.

 

[squall_line]

Will the corded CTL-Sys still be available and if so is it being updated to the new Sys3 style?

Thanks for the info in this thread, very helpful all.

It's shown on the catalog page above (5.jpg) with the CTLC-SYS with specs and a price, so I'd take that to mean it will still be available.

Based on the photo, it appears that the CTL-Sys remains in T-Loc land, as it appears to have the soft rounded corners that the T-Loc models have, rather than the harder squared-off rounded corners of the Sys3

 

[notenoughcash]

i am a bit sceptical about those prices.  they will probaly end up beeing less.

the reason why i say that is that the rrp on the FTUK site say one thing, i think the ctl midi is listed at about 500 quid but i got it for 380 and i have seen it going for less from other places.

 

[squall_line]

i am a bit sceptical about those prices.  they will probaly end up beeing less.

the reason why i say that is that the rrp on the FTUK site say one thing, i think the ctl midi is listed at about 500 quid but i got it for 380 and i have seen it going for less from other places.

Oh, to live in a place where RRP is just a recommendation and not an edict...

But that's a rabbit hole better not explored.  Or possibly a dead horse better not beaten any more...  [dead horse]

 

[Holzhacker]

Good movie references there.
I know I'm out of the norm here for not being a big cordless fan. I love a cordless drill and even have the cordless saw but a Kapex? Not a chance in hell would I buy that.
I don't see batteries working well for a chopsaw. Cutting 2x4's, 2x6's or wider, etc. I just don't see those batteries lasting well enough not to be annoying. If only using for 1x cutting then the batteries might be ok.
I have the HKC55. Batteries work well for 1x and the occasional 2x. Lots of 2x and the battery draws down pretty quick.
I have no desire to hump 2 chop saws around to job sites. Unless I knew for sure I wasn't going to cut more than the occasional 2x I wouldn't spend the money on a cordless Kapex. Give a cord please.

 

[Coen]

i am a bit sceptical about those prices.  they will probaly end up beeing less.

the reason why i say that is that the rrp on the FTUK site say one thing, i think the ctl midi is listed at about 500 quid but i got it for 380 and i have seen it going for less from other places.

Oh, to live in a place where RRP is just a recommendation and not an edict...

But that's a rabbit hole better not explored.  Or possibly a dead horse better not beaten any more...  [dead horse]

That vertical price binding that TTS got fined for is just a piece of selective enforcement of a debatable silly rule. Meanwhile Nikon just keeps on ironing the prices. Look at Nikon D780 for example. Prices in Germany range from €1898,99 to €1899,00 among 20 sellers. Once in a while one will leave the pack for a day to have a €10-20 discount and that's it.

And restricting what products can be sold by what dealers... Nikon is big on that too. There are only a handfull of 'authorized' dealers that are allowed to sell the D850 for example.

 

[yetihunter]

i am a bit sceptical about those prices.  they will probaly end up beeing less.

the reason why i say that is that the rrp on the FTUK site say one thing, i think the ctl midi is listed at about 500 quid but i got it for 380 and i have seen it going for less from other places.

Oh, to live in a place where RRP is just a recommendation and not an edict...

But that's a rabbit hole better not explored.  Or possibly a dead horse better not beaten any more...  [dead horse]

A rabbet hole, indeed.  Customers are scumbags.  MAP keeps businesses in business.  That’s not the intent,  but man is that the end result. 

 

[yetihunter]

Good movie references there.
I know I'm out of the norm here for not being a big cordless fan. I love a cordless drill and even have the cordless saw but a Kapex? Not a chance in heck would I buy that.
I don't see batteries working well for a chopsaw. Cutting 2x4's, 2x6's or wider, etc. I just don't see those batteries lasting well enough not to be annoying. If only using for 1x cutting then the batteries might be ok.
I have the HKC55. Batteries work well for 1x and the occasional 2x. Lots of 2x and the battery draws down pretty quick.
I have no desire to hump 2 chop saws around to job sites. Unless I knew for sure I wasn't going to cut more than the occasional 2x I wouldn't spend the money on a cordless Kapex. Give a cord please.

18v + circular saw = weaksauce.  HKC55 = probably the weakest of the bunch.  It's only been pulled off by tiny saws like the KSS40 or by Milwaukee using three rows of 21700 cells in one single 12ah battery that costs more than the tool. I don't waste my time with saws that aren't at least 36v, and no one else should either (but that's just like my opinion man). Meanwhile, everyone but Festool have offered cordless miter saws that perform as good as corded for years.  There would be no excuse for a 36v 8-1/2 not to perform as good as or better than corded.  Everyone has their preferences, and that's great, but I'm going to have to criticise using the HKC55 as a basis for your conclusion.

 

[Holzhacker]

Not to only basis for my decision. The HSK is only 1 example.
There are multiple other reasons to stay corded with various tools as much as feasible depending on what type of work one is doing.
 

 

[squall_line]

While I doubt I would ever buy a KSC60 Kapex as a hobbyist / shop-bound worker, I can definitely see the utility in it for tradespersons who are on site with limited power possibilities.  I'm sure at least some of them even do the ROI on charging/transporting batteries vs. running generators and drop-cords everywhere, plus the convenience and safety factors compared to generators with cords. 

As states and countries enact more stringent noise and pollution ordinances and as battery technology advances, battery powered tools will likely continue to gain share over generator-connected corded tools as well.

 

[notenoughcash]

if i was in the the market for a 216mm scms again, i would be looking at ether this, or the makita 40v one.  it wouldn't matter what battery platform coz i have both, so i soupouse it would boil down to what was the best bang for the buck, and which one is lightest.

 

[demographic]

I like the idea of this but not blown away by the thought of having to buy 4 number 4Ah batteries to power it with two and charge up the other two.
I have 5.2 Ah and 6.2Ah batteries for my HKC and not really planning on forking out for batteries just to power one tool.
If they were struggling for space they could have just chosen a bigger height box
The whole point of a system is compatibility and this just doesn't seem like joined up thinking to me.

Close but no cigar.

 

[Paul_HKI]

I'll bet there's someone or a team somewhere thinking that if they only take the 4Ah battery, folks will decide to buy those instead of 5,2's etc.

With 10 relatively new (

 

[imdking]

4Ah batteries is how the cookie crumbled. If they had made it 5.2Ah, there would be just as many people mad that it wasn't 6Ah. Or 9Ah......

It is what it is, folks.

 

[glass1]

Yep it is what it is. Acceptance of this is what leads to mediocracy. I personally despise that statement it s for people who settle for what’s spoon fed them.

 

[squall_line]

Yep it is what it is. Acceptance of this is what leads to mediocracy. I personally despise that statement it s for people who settle for what’s spoon fed them.

Festool are introducing 8.0Ah batteries, and are converting more corded tools to cordless.  "Mediocre" isn't the first thing that comes to mind in light of that.

Surely if there was room in the CTC-SYS for larger batteries, they would have included space for them.  With the batteries stacked on their side, there isn't room to expand and stacking them on top of each other would make the vacuum so large that it might as well be a CT-MINI.

A single product decision doesn't make a company.  If it did, Festool would have died under the weight of any number of other random mis-fires that people complain about.