New Mafell 18V track saw

The 18v Mafell battery in question is indeed a Metabo battery which is 5.2 ah. 

Interestingly Metabo have just introduced their 7.0 ah Li HD batteries which according to Metabo has a 100% longer run time over their 5.2 battery packs and supposedly produces 67% more power than their 5.2 battery. Charge times will be one hour using their new super fast charger. I'm waiting on some realtime user feed back before I make a purchase.
  If Maffel eventually offered this battery as an option then I can't see running on one battery as a problem.
Seems like the new Metabo 7.0 battery is a game changer as it is the same size as a regular 18v battery pack as opposed to the bulky 9.ah offerings from Dewalt and Milwaukee.
 
Steven Owen said:
antss said:
I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

::) talk about marketing boasting.  I can hear it now: "mine cuts longer than yours cuts "

You want it in board feet ?  ???  Who measures cut performance in those terms ?  A sawblade manuf. maybe.  Is that one board foot of yours 3/4 or 16/4 material ?  Are your sheetgoods Styrofoam or waterproof MDF ?  You'll get a lot more sheets cut with the former than latter.

Then there's where you'll be cutting this stuff.  Wintry Minnesota is going have much different performance than on the plains of Texas in the summer.  And Mafell isn't going to sell enough of them to warrant testing in either location.

Below is the link to makita's saw and I cannot find anyplace that says how many 2x4s or sheets of ply it'll cut.  Perhaps I missed it though.

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XPS01Z

The testing was done in various reviews.  The major price difference means there will be more independent testing.  Mafell is only well known in certain markets.  Mafell is high end brand with a limited audience.

For Canadians, the decision is even more difficult.  Once you factor in the exchange rate and getting nailed by tariffs crossing the US boarder, it’s downright painful.  Mafell would have been smarter to have a Canadian dealer like Atlas Machinery or Elite Tools carrying their brand. 

The $1750 Canadian price tag with the MT55, 1 Track, 2 blades and minor accessories is a difficult pill to swallow vs a more powerful TS 75 at $995 CAD with a track.

The Mafell design is great, it’s not worth an extra $800 to purchase of the Festool saws.

Yes it is. Compare the mt55 to ts55 and it’s worth that much more for various reasons. I can’t compare it to the ts75 as I’ve never used one.

I have the cordless mt55 and it has plenty of power and the runtime is great. Deciding how many batteries you’ll need is dependent on how much cutting your doing in the time it takes a batttery to recharge, obviously. After using it I’d say you would need 3 batteries to be able to cut pretty much straight through other 2 charging at a time.
 
DB10 said:
The 18v Mafell battery in question is indeed a Metabo battery which is 5.2 ah. 

Interestingly Metabo have just introduced their 7.0 ah Li HD batteries which according to Metabo has a 100% longer run time over their 5.2 battery packs and supposedly produces 67% more power than their 5.2 battery. Charge times will be one hour using their new super fast charger. I'm waiting on some realtime user feed back before I make a purchase.
  If Maffel eventually offered this battery as an option then I can't see running on one battery as a problem.
Seems like the new Metabo 7.0 battery is a game changer as it is the same size as a regular 18v battery pack as opposed to the bulky 9.ah offerings from Dewalt and Milwaukee.

It actually comes with the updated 5.5ah 99wh batteries. They are a far cry more powerful than the 5.2 and run a decent amount longer. I’ve got both and it’s noticeable.

Also the 7.0 would probably be fine on the saw as you don’t really feel the battery weight at all, very ergonomic.
 
rizzoa13 said:
Steven Owen said:
antss said:
I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

::) talk about marketing boasting.  I can hear it now: "mine cuts longer than yours cuts "

You want it in board feet ?  ???  Who measures cut performance in those terms ?  A sawblade manuf. maybe.  Is that one board foot of yours 3/4 or 16/4 material ?  Are your sheetgoods Styrofoam or waterproof MDF ?  You'll get a lot more sheets cut with the former than latter.

Then there's where you'll be cutting this stuff.  Wintry Minnesota is going have much different performance than on the plains of Texas in the summer.  And Mafell isn't going to sell enough of them to warrant testing in either location.

Below is the link to makita's saw and I cannot find anyplace that says how many 2x4s or sheets of ply it'll cut.  Perhaps I missed it though.

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XPS01Z

The testing was done in various reviews.  The major price difference means there will be more independent testing.  Mafell is only well known in certain markets.  Mafell is high end brand with a limited audience.

For Canadians, the decision is even more difficult.  Once you factor in the exchange rate and getting nailed by tariffs crossing the US boarder, it’s downright painful.  Mafell would have been smarter to have a Canadian dealer like Atlas Machinery or Elite Tools carrying their brand. 

The $1750 Canadian price tag with the MT55, 1 Track, 2 blades and minor accessories is a difficult pill to swallow vs a more powerful TS 75 at $995 CAD with a track.

The Mafell design is great, it’s not worth an extra $800 to purchase of the Festool saws.

Yes it is. Compare the mt55 to ts55 and it’s worth that much more for various reasons. I can’t compare it to the ts75 as I’ve never used one.

I have the cordless mt55 and it has plenty of power and the runtime is great. Deciding how many batteries you’ll need is dependent on how much cutting your doing in the time it takes a batttery to recharge, obviously. After using it I’d say you would need 3 batteries to be able to cut pretty much straight through other 2 charging at a time.

It’s tough to compare the TS 75 to anything in the track saw world.  It’s a huge saw that lends itself more to hardwood cuts than plywood.  The blade change, track design, and dust extraction would be superior on the Mafell.  It would also be nice if the TS 75 would have a score cut.  The riving knife and extra power would be biggest stand out features in the TS 75 over Mafell. 

If NAFTA comes to an end, Mafell will have to find a Canadian Dealer.  The tariffs will jump to 12-15% making it next to impossible to sell Mafell’s products to Canadians out of the US.
 
Steven Owen said:
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It’s tough to compare the TS 75 to anything in the track saw world.  It’s a huge saw that lends itself more to hardwood cuts than plywood...

What is the definition of "huge" when one is north of Texas?  [tongue]


Steven Owen said:
...  The blade change, track design, and dust extraction would be superior on the Mafell.  It would also be nice if the TS 75 would have a score cut.  The riving knife and extra power would be biggest stand out features in the TS 75 over Mafell. 

I am not sure that the riving knife is required... Or maybe I am just lucky?

The Mafell is cheaper than a TS55 + TS75 + a Betterly or an extra 3M long rail... So if one is doing sheet goods and thicker hardwood (>55mm), then maybe the TS55/TS75 is a better combo... I dunno, I just use the p1cc when I need deeper cuts.

In any case this thread was about the cordless model.

The Bosch rails were a better deal here (as they had them in country). They may need a NAFTA deal too?
Probably best to fly to the Eu and make a vacation out of it and pick them up there?
 
Coincidentally, my friend was just joking about how I should beg Timberwolf to rent me an MKS saw for my current workbench build.  🤣

 
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