New Router from JessEM
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Bob D. said:
Reminds me of "Designed by Apple in Cupertino"
Who's going to be the guinea pig on this? 
I picked up my JessEm Excel table a year ago and paired it with a Milwaukee 5625. It's a decent motor, but definitely not made specifically for a router table.
Don't know yet if it's worth $500 to try out the new JessEm solution.
The video showed them milling/machining parts in what looks like the JessEm factory, but that could just be the prototype parts.
Maybe they source the motor from somewhere else and make other components in house. Without more info from JessEm there are just lots of guesses at this point.
I picked up my JessEm Excel table a year ago and paired it with a Milwaukee 5625. It's a decent motor, but definitely not made specifically for a router table.
Don't know yet if it's worth $500 to try out the new JessEm solution.
The video showed them milling/machining parts in what looks like the JessEm factory, but that could just be the prototype parts.
Maybe they source the motor from somewhere else and make other components in house. Without more info from JessEm there are just lots of guesses at this point.
Yeah right, this is a knock off from the AUK motor and controller if not the same thing and maybe the latest iteration of it. Good on them for recognising that routers should not be used in router tables these days as there are now better ways to do it. The tilting router lifts using spindles are a good way to add versatility to RT's and enhance the cutter collection without buying more cutters.
Tilting Router Lift
If you want an off the shelf spindle and lift this has to be the best out there
Tilting Router Lift
If you want an off the shelf spindle and lift this has to be the best out there
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The duct ports for intake air is something new. I always wonder when I see "Comes with a second set of brushes". I read between the lines on that and see "don't expect long life out of these cheap brushes".
Should be a plus when you have your router mounted in a box.
And even if not you can run the intake to someplace other than under the table and pull in clean air.
Should be a plus when you have your router mounted in a box.
And even if not you can run the intake to someplace other than under the table and pull in clean air.
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Bob D. said:
Funnily enough I have a drawer full of these second set of brushes from dozens of tools bought over the years, including cheapo tools, and I don't think I've ever actually had to change a set on any tool.
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That may be true and it has been my experience also. I don't think I have had to change brushes on any power tool except one in the past 40 years.
So why include 'extra' brushes if they will not be needed for years. Knowing me I will not be able to locate those extra brushes 5 years from now, unless they were stored right on the tool. Just seems like an unnecessary expense for the manufacturer or maybe it's a marketing ploy. People might hesitate to buy a tool from a company with no track record. Yes, JessEM has been around for years but the vendor who supplies the router to them who knows how long they will be with us. So possibly the extra set of brushes is intended to calm those who might say "where will I get parts 5 years from now?" and the most common (and least expensive) part might be the brushes so they throw those in for 'free'. But of course it's covered in the price of the item.
So why include 'extra' brushes if they will not be needed for years. Knowing me I will not be able to locate those extra brushes 5 years from now, unless they were stored right on the tool. Just seems like an unnecessary expense for the manufacturer or maybe it's a marketing ploy. People might hesitate to buy a tool from a company with no track record. Yes, JessEM has been around for years but the vendor who supplies the router to them who knows how long they will be with us. So possibly the extra set of brushes is intended to calm those who might say "where will I get parts 5 years from now?" and the most common (and least expensive) part might be the brushes so they throw those in for 'free'. But of course it's covered in the price of the item.
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It's been my observation over the years that products purchased that came with an included item, that later became an "optional item", never seemed to go down in price, but went up while supplying less than before.
For me the similar common analogy is that retailers quite rightly proclaim shoplifting raises costs and therefore prices, but call me pessimistic, if shoplifting ended right now, I don't think we'd be seeing prices come down accordingly, it would simply raise the profit margin!
For me the similar common analogy is that retailers quite rightly proclaim shoplifting raises costs and therefore prices, but call me pessimistic, if shoplifting ended right now, I don't think we'd be seeing prices come down accordingly, it would simply raise the profit margin!
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Mini Me said:
I looked at the Sautershop tilt lifts and decided if I ever needed that kind of tool for a project, I would buy a reconditioned Elektra Beckum TF 904 shaper/spindle molder, with a one-year warranty, for less than the cost of the lift and the spindle motor from Sautershop. Cutter heads and profiles for the TF 904 30mm shaft are readily available on the new and used market.
The Sautershop lift requires a motor with a 43mm diameter clamping collar, and the selection of suitable motors is limited in horsepower, with most being in the 1KW or less range. With about 22mm of clamp height on the motors that will fit, I would not try to push too much material through the cutter block at one time, as shown in the video simulation. When I spoke with a Sautershop rep last year, he kept referring to the suitable motors as CNC motors instead of router motors.
So far, my AUKTools V3 router motor in the Incra Mast-R-Lift II router lift meets all of my project requirements. The external power and speed controls means I never have to open the router enclosure to access the motor. However, I am leaning towards buying the TF 904 just in case. [big grin]
MikeGE said:
For me using a spindle means a number of things...
I no longer have the huge expense of buying a conventional lift
The lift I use is not attached to the table top
I can now custom make, use and changeover tops as needed for different purposes
The top does not have to made strong enought to support the lift and router
Spindle speed control is way better and more reliable.
I think we are seeing the first signs of suppliers recognising that a hand held router in a table was never a good idea and over time conventional tables and lifts will change the router table and eventually the lift as we know it.
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JimH2 said:
speak for yourself, i thought it was pretty cool.
I wish they showed a bit more on the recirculation of air they briefly mentioned and how much does it affect the motor after how long of a time period
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JimH2 said:
I found the banter quite unnatural and somewhat unprofessional sounding. I can see they were probably aiming for guys around the BBQ with beers conversation type of cool, but it didn't inspire confidence to me anyway the way they theatrically discussed the design.
Simply discussing what they did and why they did it would have been of more value than scripting a re-enactment of the design phase, but maybe that's just me.
In fact, if they were going to go the theatrical re-enactment route, they really should have done it ala This Old Tony!
There were so many features they could have covered in great detail and after suffering through it thinking at some point they would dig deep but that never happened. One has to keep in mind they are selling tools and buyers want facts especially when innovative features are involved. It is a shame they blew money on the overproduced video when they have what looks to be a great product. After some reviews I'll probably buy one.
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Having recently started using shapers, I'm really learning to appreciate them and wonder why more woodworkers insist on router tables.
My primary shaper is currently a KF700, with a Profil 45 Z arriving in the next month, both ordered with a 1-1/4" spindle as well as a router spindle. Pretty amazing running a router bit with 7.5hp+ behind it [cool]
The Elektra Beckum are not available here in North America, but there is an abundance of little 1hp Asian-made machines (Jet, Grizzly, etc....) that are available with a router spindle, which I would suspect have dramatically better longevity than these 3hp router motors being discussed. Granted, these spindles are limited to 10,000 rpm, but most larger bits require the router to be slowed down anyway, and I'd suggest it's unlikely that even these 3hp routers are spinning at their rated rpm when under load. For a compact, shop-based alternative to a 3hp router, I suspect these would serve well:https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-1-2-hp-shaper/g1035
When truly high speeds are necessary, I've been getting some great use out of the little Lee Valley router tables:https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/sho...table-system-for-compact-routers?item=05J6710 , and pairing them with corded Makita 1hp routers. I currently have two, and am planning on adding more to the inventory, with each table set up for a particular task (1/8" round-over, chamfer, pattern routing, "jointing", etc...)....
The Makita RF1101 motor is tough to beat if you're looking for a solid, mid-power motor for a router table:https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/RF1101
Having recently started using shapers, I'm really learning to appreciate them and wonder why more woodworkers insist on router tables.
My primary shaper is currently a KF700, with a Profil 45 Z arriving in the next month, both ordered with a 1-1/4" spindle as well as a router spindle. Pretty amazing running a router bit with 7.5hp+ behind it [cool]
The Elektra Beckum are not available here in North America, but there is an abundance of little 1hp Asian-made machines (Jet, Grizzly, etc....) that are available with a router spindle, which I would suspect have dramatically better longevity than these 3hp router motors being discussed. Granted, these spindles are limited to 10,000 rpm, but most larger bits require the router to be slowed down anyway, and I'd suggest it's unlikely that even these 3hp routers are spinning at their rated rpm when under load. For a compact, shop-based alternative to a 3hp router, I suspect these would serve well:https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-1-2-hp-shaper/g1035
When truly high speeds are necessary, I've been getting some great use out of the little Lee Valley router tables:https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/sho...table-system-for-compact-routers?item=05J6710 , and pairing them with corded Makita 1hp routers. I currently have two, and am planning on adding more to the inventory, with each table set up for a particular task (1/8" round-over, chamfer, pattern routing, "jointing", etc...)....
The Makita RF1101 motor is tough to beat if you're looking for a solid, mid-power motor for a router table:https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/RF1101
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I have been looking into those SauterShop tilting lifts for quite some time. The sticking point for me is the spindle/motor situation. There are comparatively few in the first place, but then ad in the restriction of 110v power or the even bigger expense of a transformer of some kind to run a 220v version. It gets out of control pretty quickly.
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If there a spindle made with the same diameter as the 3.25HP routers such as the PC7518?
Then it would be simple to switch over and use the same lift. Not any cheaper but more possibilities.
On the why not shaper question I think for small shops they may not have the space to dedicate to a shaper. A router table is often built in to a table saw wing which makes double use of available space. Not as easy to do with a shaper plus you don't have the option of removing the shaper and using it as a hand-held tool. Granted not many are likely to do that today, they will just buy a second router. But early on I think most homeowner and other small shops were one router affairs.
I think I had only one router for about 20 years, then I bought a PC690 with the plunge base, then a second 690, and now 20 years after the first PC690 I have 8 routers of various makes and sizes including one OF1400. I did have a shaper years ago, but I had much more shop space back then.
Then it would be simple to switch over and use the same lift. Not any cheaper but more possibilities.
On the why not shaper question I think for small shops they may not have the space to dedicate to a shaper. A router table is often built in to a table saw wing which makes double use of available space. Not as easy to do with a shaper plus you don't have the option of removing the shaper and using it as a hand-held tool. Granted not many are likely to do that today, they will just buy a second router. But early on I think most homeowner and other small shops were one router affairs.
I think I had only one router for about 20 years, then I bought a PC690 with the plunge base, then a second 690, and now 20 years after the first PC690 I have 8 routers of various makes and sizes including one OF1400. I did have a shaper years ago, but I had much more shop space back then.