New Router from JessEM

[festal]

I have no idea why but i did preodrer one lol.  Just upgraded my table saw, sold the old one i had but kept the incra router plate and triton tra001 router.  I have about 30 days to decide if I want to keep the preorder or not.  It does look neat.  A bit expensive for router motor.  Spinrite from woodpecker is about half the cost also with er20 collet and another option is the new triton router motor. 
Was thinking of using Jessem router motor with either powerlift pro or incra router lift but thats going to be another $1k or so do go that route vs using what I have.  Decisions

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Granted not many are likely to do that today, they will just buy a second router. But early on I think most homeowner and other small shops were one router affairs.

I think I had only one router for about 20 years, then I bought a PC690 with the plunge base, then a second 690, and now 20 years after the first PC690 I have 8 routers of various makes and sizes including one OF1400. I did have a shaper years ago, but I had much more shop space back then.

I suppose it depends on what you call "early on", but yeah. I remember those first few routers as crude by today's standards, as well as, (even more so) the bit selection.
I couldn't possibly imagine a "one router" world though.
When I received my first wave of new tools, after the fire, there were 6 in that order alone. That was before I discovered that the cordless Makita and the corded compact were cross-compatible. Since then, I have a handful of those too. I think I'm up to something silly, like 20?

 

[Bob D.]

"I suppose it depends on what you call "early on"..."

I bought my first router in 1977, so 70s and earlier.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

"I suppose it depends on what you call "early on"..."

I bought my first router in 1977, so 70s and earlier.

Yeah, the old round-top R2D2 looking Craftsman and Porter-Cable models. Those are the first I remember seeing/using. They had the crappy highspeed steel bits with the pilot tip rather than ballbearing, like today. They were nothing close to modern units.

 

[Mike Goetzke]

This reminds me of my router table setup. In 2006 I purchased a Milwaukee 5625-20 router. I actually took it apart and ground into the potting material to incorporate and external pot to control the speed. I have it mounted in a PRL-V2 and have not had to touch the router. Back then I remember Jessem offered the same router motor with an external speed control.

 

[Ron B]

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When I received my first wave of new tools, after the fire, there were 6 in that order alone. That was before I discovered that the cordless Makita and the corded compact were cross-compatible. Since then, I have a handful of those too. I think I'm up to something silly, like 20?

I don't think 20 routers is silly
Said the man with over 40 hammers.

 

[rst]

Jeez, I'm going to have to up my game, I only have 16

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Jeez, I'm going to have to up my game, I only have 16

You are well on the way to having a problem 

 

[rst]

Problems are in the eye of the beholder, much the same theory as junk and art.

 

[Lbob131]

The tilting router lifts using spindles are a good way to add versatility to RT's and enhance the cutter collection without buying more cutters.

If you want an off the shelf spindle and lift this has to be the best out there

 

The Sautershop lift requires a motor with a 43mm diameter clamping collar, and the selection of suitable motors is limited in horsepower, with most being in the 1KW or less range. 

The  Suhner  range  of  spindles  have powers  well  in excess  of  1kw. 1.8kw  to be  precise.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

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When I received my first wave of new tools, after the fire, there were 6 in that order alone. That was before I discovered that the cordless Makita and the corded compact were cross-compatible. Since then, I have a handful of those too. I think I'm up to something silly, like 20?

I don't think 20 routers is silly
Said the man with over 40 hammers.

I have a Sys4/TL3 Sortainer holding almost 2,000 screws.

Beat that  [big grin]

 

[ChuckM]

I only use three routers (Bosch (handheld or in the router table for heavy duty cuts), Craftsman (router table - regular milling) and a Colt trim router) plus a Dremel (for delicate milling: narrow grooves, hinges, etc.) to satisfy all my routing needs. (I do have two other routers (Craftsman and Skil?) that have not been used for over a decade and that I should sell one day).

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[MikeGE]

The  Suhner  range  of  spindles  have powers  well  in excess  of  1kw. 1.8kw  to be  precise.

 

Yes, but they all have the same 20-22mm clamping height for the 43mm ring.  I don't think I would trust a short clamping area to handle the forces shown in the animation without bending or breaking something...but that's just my opinion. 

 

[Crazyraceguy]

[member=57948]ChuckS[/member] it's not like I "need" that many. It just simplifies and speeds up the process. Most of them have a specific task in mind, whether that is just the bit, bit/collar combination, or just the cut depth adjustment. 
Some of them are just the compact or trimmer size units. Those are set up for laminate work, since I do quite a bit of that.
Storage of some of this stuff is going to be a challenge when retirement comes, since my home shop is considerably smaller than the space I occupy at work.
I'm in the beginning stages of working on that now. I'll have to get better about taking some progress pics of that journey. I'm essentially starting from scratch in a one car garage space.
It has an adjoining space, so material storage doesn't have to be in there too.

 

[Lbob131]

The  Sauter system  looks  impressive. Certainly  matching  the Canadian  and  American  systems  in terms  of  quality  plus  adding  other  unique  features.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

The  Sauter system  looks  impressive. Certainly  matching  the Canadian  and  American  systems  in terms  of  quality  plus  adding  other  unique  features.

It does, and I would have one.....IF I could find a motor to run on 110v US power.
Maffel does have one, but it is limited to 8mm, and not available right now. I could get past the 8mm thing, but not the other.

 

[MikeGE]

Having recently started using shapers, I'm really learning to appreciate them and wonder why more woodworkers insist on router tables.

My primary shaper is currently a KF700, with a Profil 45 Z arriving in the next month, both ordered with a 1-1/4" spindle as well as a router spindle. Pretty amazing running a router bit with 7.5hp+ behind it  [cool]

The Elektra Beckum are not available here in North America, but there is an abundance of little 1hp Asian-made machines (Jet, Grizzly, etc....) that are available with a router spindle, which I would suspect have dramatically better longevity than these 3hp router motors being discussed. Granted, these spindles are limited to 10,000 rpm, but most larger bits require the router to be slowed down anyway, and I'd suggest it's unlikely that even these 3hp routers are spinning at their rated rpm when under load. For a compact, shop-based alternative to a 3hp router, I suspect these would serve well: https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-1-2-hp-shaper/g1035

 
I can't speak for everyone who has a router table, but my journey has been expensive as well as educational.  Originally, I wanted a table that used a hand-held router so I could invest in one tool for multiple purposes, so I chose the 2400W Triton TRA001 and the Triton Workcentre.  Before I could finish building my workshop, I helped a friend process a bunch of lumber through his home-built table with the TRA001.  After a weekend of fumbling with the router settings under the table, I abandoned my TRA001 design and went down a different path for my router needs.  I now have the Incra Mast-R-Lift II and the 2400W AUKTools V3 motor with external speed and power controls for my router table, and the MFK 700, OF 1010, and OF 2200 for my hand-held routers. 

As a home hobbyist working in my basement, the Incra/AUKTools setup for the router table meets all of my requirements so far and easily handles the Freud raised panel set for my cabinet doors.  I made three passes for the raised panels, two for the front and one for the rabbet on the back, but the rails and stiles needed only one pass.  If I were making hundreds of doors, instead of 15 or 20, I would want a shaper (spindle moulder in these parts) with a cutter block that could handle the panels in one operation.  However, after over two years of use, I haven't worked on a project that could benefit from the features or power of a dedicated shaper.

 

[Cheese]

Well after spending 3:37 watching the video, they still haven't offered me a compelling reason why I should purchase their product. Spindle bearings...cooling vents...that's all I know anything about. They should have put more meat on the bones.

Anyone else notice that they don't even have a physical prototype to look at during the discussion? Any design review is more than just looking at pretty drawings on a white board. I don't know if the final product will be good or bad but the marketing materials are pretty hoky.  [sad] [sad]

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.
I'm in the beginning stages of working on that now. I'll have to get better about taking some progress pics of that journey. I'm essentially starting from scratch in a one car garage space.
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To make such " journey" smoother for myself, I started it sometime ago when I bought new and better tools. For example, I got rid of the biscuit joiner and benchtop mortiser after I acquired the DF500 (which could also replace the dado stack cutter for the table saw). I also sold my Delta jointer since I use the thickness planer for both flattening and thicknessing. In other words, when I want to buy a new toy, I try to justify it by replacing something already in the shop with the new purchase.

 

[rmwarren]

the marketing materials are pretty hoky.  [sad] [sad]

Thought I was just me while I was watching the video. Painful.

RMW