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Here's a design sketch of the ON/OFF switch for the upcoming TKS 80 with SawStop technology.
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Any place I can download 2019 catalogue? More than 10 Festool tools purchased in 2018 and no catalogue in the mail.
 
Looks like a nice saw, can't help but think it would not steer me off from the pull saws considering the small-ish table.
Probably too expensive to justify as an on site saw - probably some weight penalty too - and I would probably gasp at the price with the much needed add ons to even bring it close to the convenience of a good sturdy table saw for stationary use.

I applaud the effort, it will appeal to some I guess. Blade is 10" and 254mm - hopefully not a proprietary hole mount.

It looks like the CS70 parallel fence on the video - which would make sense. Not sure if the table looks wider than the CS70? That would mean no compatibility with the CS70 VL due to width but the VB table should fit since the LA fence fits... 
 
Not sure if cost is an object. This tech will become mandatory, legally and from a regulatory point of view.
 
The Bosch Reaxx Design does not damage the blade.  I can see that once patents run out, and there are clones on the market it becoming standard and eventually required.
 
Please note that this is purely speculation on my part.  I have no knowledge of Festool plans or marketing direction.

I can see that the legal system in North America will force global manufacturers to in the future build initially to that standard and then either offer those products as-is to other worldwide markets or else subtract some components where they feel the additional "benefit" will be not accepted.

I can't foresee a mid size tool company like Festool tying up production resources to do other.  After all their parent company holds the patents and licensing now becomes a matter of switching money from one pocket to another per say. A safer tool in any country will be more readily accepted than a less safe.

Of course I might be crazy.

Peter
 
Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits said:
Looks like a nice saw, can't help but think it would not steer me off from the pull saws considering the small-ish table.
Probably too expensive to justify as an on site saw - probably some weight penalty too - and I would probably gasp at the price with the much needed add ons to even bring it close to the convenience of a good sturdy table saw for stationary use.

I applaud the effort, it will appeal to some I guess. Blade is 10" and 254mm - hopefully not a proprietary hole mount.

It looks like the CS70 parallel fence on the video - which would make sense. Not sure if the table looks wider than the CS70? That would mean no compatibility with the CS70 VL due to width but the VB table should fit since the LA fence fits...
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I think we can all agree that the TS 80 uses either the same "chassis" (what I'm calling that which is comprised of two "portals" as Festool calls them - the cast alloy sets of two stubby legs - and two "side walls" (which connect the two sets of stubby legs together to make a four legged frame) common to the CS 70 and CS 50 or that of the CMS and that, therefore, all of the relevant accessories will be compatible. This is simply a case of a company taking something that already exists - a four legged "chassis" - and fitting a new part to it in order to make a new product (in this case, a table saw with a SawStop or SawStop-inspired arbor assembly). Not rocket science. 
 
Peter Halle said:
Please note that this is purely speculation on my part.  I have no knowledge of Festool plans or marketing direction.

I can see that the legal system in North America will force global manufacturers to in the future build initially to that standard and then either offer those products as-is to other worldwide markets or else subtract some components where they feel the additional "benefit" will be not accepted.

I can't foresee a mid size tool company like Festool tying up production resources to do other.  After all their parent company holds the patents and licensing now becomes a matter of switching money from one pocket to another per say. A safer tool in any country will be more readily accepted than a less safe.

Of course I might be crazy.

Peter
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Where problems get real tricky is when "safety" conflicts from country to country.  The US (and I assume Canada) have a different idea on how to make tools safe from the Europeans. You can't make the same same saw work in both places. I think this is what leads to the CMS saw modules not being in the US. As there would be no anti kickback dogs when using a TS .  In general I think the EU has better idea on safety on tables saws. I don't see the US changing.

Also just picture the moaning from people if hot dog protection what mandated.  People would moan of big government, freedom, say they are going to stock pile old saws and so forth.  No different than we have seen with lightbulbs, furnaces, wood stoves, fuel cans and so forth.
 
DeformedTree said:
I think this is what leads to the CMS saw modules not being in the US. As there would be no anti kickback dogs when using a TS
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Which would be stupid easy to add through a slightly changed holder for the dust shroud, or am I wrong with that?
 
DeformedTree said:
People would moan of big government, freedom, say they are going to stock pile old saws and so forth.  No different than we have seen with lightbulbs, furnaces, wood stoves, fuel cans and so forth.
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Once the lightbulb announcement was made, my neighbor, who owns several large apartment buildings, went out and purchased cases & cases & cases of incandescent light bulbs.

He recently asked me to do a quick cost analysis for him and I determined that if he were to substitute LED light bulbs, he would save in a year, just in electricity costs, what he spent on the incandescent lightbulbs.  [eek]

Not to mention what he saves in not replacing a light bulb every 3000-4000 hours.
 
TinyShop said:
Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits said:
Looks like a nice saw, can't help but think it would not steer me off from the pull saws considering the small-ish table.
Probably too expensive to justify as an on site saw - probably some weight penalty too - and I would probably gasp at the price with the much needed add ons to even bring it close to the convenience of a good sturdy table saw for stationary use.

I applaud the effort, it will appeal to some I guess. Blade is 10" and 254mm - hopefully not a proprietary hole mount.

It looks like the CS70 parallel fence on the video - which would make sense. Not sure if the table looks wider than the CS70? That would mean no compatibility with the CS70 VL due to width but the VB table should fit since the LA fence fits...
Click to expand...

I think we can all agree that the TS 80 uses either the same "chassis" (what I'm calling that which is comprised of two "portals" as Festool calls them - the cast alloy sets of two stubby legs - and two "side walls" (which connect the two sets of stubby legs together to make a four legged frame) common to the CS 70 and CS 50 or that of the CMS and that, therefore, all of the relevant accessories will be compatible. This is simply a case of a company taking something that already exists - a four legged "chassis" - and fitting a new part to it in order to make a new product (in this case, a table saw with a SawStop or SawStop-inspired arbor assembly). Not rocket science.
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I do agree.

I think the concept is good and obviously Festool sees a market to cater for with the TKS. I personally think it will be way overpriced and less interesting than the CS70EB pull saw or the Mafell Erika 85EC - for my purposes.

Festool does not need my approval or disapproval. 

The Precisio saws add some value with their versatility, that's what sold me on those saw systems. Agile and fairly accurate - with the usual caveats for portable light weight saws.

Except for the safety feature of the TKS 80 which I don't fancy paying extra for -  it is still "just" a semi portable 10" table saw and handling of sheet goods will never be as comfortable or accurate as with a larger saw. Seen a fair share of both Erikas and Precisios with sheet goods being rammed through them with less than stellar precision... ...sometimes user error, sometimes lack of handling ergonomics that are present on small, light weight saws which does prevent them from being suitable for accurate/repeat processing of nominal sized sheet goods. 

I am not sure the new Festool will even top any of the DeWalt / Metabo / Bosch etc for handling sheet goods. I am sure the build will be excellent though! 

Still, when I see one in the flesh I might fall in love with it and actually get one - I am not ruling that out. Working on outfitting a new shop this year with some colleagues and we will have at least one smaller table saw in the shop, at the moment it is the Erika 60, the big dawg in the shop is a huge digital Felder with 3200mm sliding table weighing in around... ...850-900kg?
 
Cheese said:
DeformedTree said:
People would moan of big government, freedom, say they are going to stock pile old saws and so forth.  No different than we have seen with lightbulbs, furnaces, wood stoves, fuel cans and so forth.
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Once the lightbulb announcement was made, my neighbor, who owns several large apartment buildings, went out and purchased cases & cases & cases of incandescent light bulbs.

He recently asked me to do a quick cost analysis for him and I determined that if he were to substitute LED light bulbs, he would save in a year, just in electricity costs, what he spent on the incandescent lightbulbs.  [eek]

Not to mention what he saves in not replacing a light bulb every 3000-4000 hours.
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Making sure when things like some sort of new tech or safety device is mandated that standardization/interchangeability is mandated with it solves a lot of these issues.  This is the key.  If you saw "saw stop" is mandated, you have an issue.  If you say "saws must stop/or remove blade from path of flesh within 1 nano-second of detection and be fully reset able without replacement of parts" you will have solutions produced with little issue. And manufactures would probably jointly share the development cost to just get it done and move on.
 
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