Newest Qwas Invention - MFT enhancement using the holes of course!

[nickao]

Newest Qwas Invention - MFT enhancement using the holes of course!

http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/creative-solutions/3858-mft-angles-any-angle.html#post57303

Looks good!

Comments.

 

[jonny round boy]

I just had a quick look, and was amazed by the first line:

"It's been over two years since I introduced the concept of how to use the holes in the MFT for easy and accurate work."

[eek]

What?!?! So, "the concept of how to use the holes in the MFT for easy and accurate work" was his idea, was it? I don't think so. I think that concept was part of the original MFT design, and was probably around a long, long time before that. People were using the holes in the MFT long before Qwas made his bench dogs from aluminium.

I haven't read through the entire thread yet (I'm going to do that next), but even if this enhancement is utterly fantastic, I think it's a bit of a stretch for Qwas to claim the entire concept as his...

 

[nickao]

Nope, using the holes for alignment with a dog of some sort definitely was Qwas idea and had never been seen on the FOG forum before he stated it. Not even when the FOG was on Yahoo way back. It is his idea for sure, you can research here on the forum.

Proving the holes were in alignment enough to forget the extrusions and the edge of the mdf was his initial idea and was the first one to actually write about and develop the idea with actual hardware(Qwas dogs). He then expanded upon the idea and made other dogs that  attached to the bottom of the fence and the bottom of the rail(rail dogs).

There is not even a bit of doubt about this, it's a fact. Anyone that has been here for about 24-30 months will know this and can verify it.

I am  surprised you don't remember as you have been here a LONG time.

 

[Alaska Ranger]

Well, I HAVEN'T been here such a long time, but as far as I am concerned it stretches credulousness  [wink] to consider the alternative, which is that the MFT's holes were just sorta poked through wherever.....

Hmmmm?

Full disclosure: I think Qwas dogs are great!

 

[chrisrosenb]

Full disclosure: I think Qwas dogs are great!

I wish I knew.
His one dealer does not seem to want to sell them.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I wish I knew.
His one dealer does not seem to want to sell them.

For those that don't know, Festool Junkie is the only dealer that sells Qwas products in the US.  If you've read the dealer section on the FOG you may be aware that Festool Junkie is having some problems of late.  I'd recommend contacting Steve through his site, qwasproducts.com if you have interest in his products.

 

[image132]

I would imagine that the original concept and idea came from Festool since they are the ones who made it.

However if he is saying that he is the first 3rd party person/company to do so, then I would acquiesce.

Just my [2cents]

 

[Qwas]

I feel like I have been insulted and slapped in the face, twice.  [mad]

Does any one ever bother to go to the Forum Stats and read the most popular threads??? Number 7 on the Most Replies list - http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/mft-and-guide-rail-alignment is the Qwas thread discussing the use of holes. How can you love this forum without at least reading the most popular threads?

There is more I would like to say but I'm sure it would lead to trouble so I will end this discussion now, no apologies necessary. Please no one respond to this post. I just wanted to point out some assumptions around here are wrong.

 

[JimRay]

QWAS:

Sorry about the reply, but I couldn't help myself.

I can't find my MFT Manual, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything in it about using the MFT top in the manner QWAS described in the http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/mft-and-guide-rail-alignment post he referenced. If it is in there, why did he get the response he received in that original post? Did no one read the manual?  So if it wasn't in the manual, and he seems to be the first to have described the method (with acknowledgement of the kudos he gave to Jerry Work for inspiring him), then I'm willing to give him some credit where credit is due.

QWAS, unslap yourself!!

Jim Ray

 

[Alan m]

i will second that
never mind all the naysayers they are only jelous they didnt think of it

if this was festools idea. first they would be selling us a pair of their dogs and second they would be suing qwas for infringing on their patent.

what an inspination to all up tool enhancers and adjusters out there. if it was not for qwas we would all still be using the rail the way it was designed with all it squaring flaws.
thank you qwas (and jerry for what part you played(not sure how much as only new member)) for bringing us such a simple and easy to use product.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Wow, this thread makes me wonder what kind of guys the engineers of the Black & Decker were who made that Workmate my father got like 25 years ago. Guess what? It had holes in it, with bench dogs! Amazing, those guys must have had time machines if they got the idea from some user on this forum.

In reality, the idea of workbenches with holes in it and stuff to put in those holes is as old as Methusalem, as we say over here. Of course Festool designed the MFT with this in mind. I'm amazed somebody here can call it as his own idea while this has been done for decades already.  

 

[mastercabman]

I am a little confused about this "QWAS INVENTION"  What exactly does it do? ???
Isn't it what the angle unit with the fence that comes with the MFT do? ???
Sorry if i don't get it.

 

[image132]

I am a little confused about this "QWAS INVENTION"   What exactly does it do? ???
Isn't it what the angle unit with the fence that comes with the MFT do? ???
Sorry if i don't get it.

Lets see if I get this right. Bare with me if I get this wrong but I'm still new here. Qwas designs tools/enhancements etc specifically for the holes in the MFT. These enhancements are normally for, but not restricted to, the rail that goes onto it. Qwas' way of using the holes makes life easy when you want to quickly cut up something at 45 degrees or 90. Obviously he has a larger range but for me these are the best ones, although I have not looked through his entire range.

In truth what some of Qwas' ideas/equipment do is the same as the angle guide (they both let you cut accurate angles using the holes in the mft) however I think Qwas' way of doing it makes more sense and is quicker. I think that Qwas was ahead of the curve or Festool on this one but I don't think he was first to do it. As stated above my dad also owned a B&D workmate back in the day with bench dogs.

I apologise if I insulted you Qwas. I am simply stating my opinion.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Steve (Qwas) isn't trying to take credit for inventing the work bench/table with holes, he's was however, the first to come up with a new way of using the holes on the MFT tables.  Work benches used these holes for dogs as means of clamping, Steve's Qwas dogs go far beyond clamping.....

 

[peter halle]

Qwas thought something out that should have been obvious to everyone.  Great products.  He came up with a solution to cut the most needed angular cuts on the MFT's prior to the MFT/3 that utilized the accuracy of cnc drilling the holes in the tops  by Festool and offered a quick way to square the MFT's which many people found to be difficult.  His products can also be used on the MFT/3, although Festool's new fence design is better than the original MFT.

Steve:  Rock On!

Peter

 

[peter halle]

Sorry Brice.

 

[nickao]

You know that's part of it. Anyone that only has the Mft 3 has no idea how flawed the initial 1080 fence was and that's why Qwas came up with the idea in the first place. I like the rail dogs too. Connecting the dogs underneath the Festool rail was also his idea and  makes a lot of cuts far faster, easier and smarter.

 

[Brice Burrell]

You know that's part of it. Anyone that only has the Mft 3 has no idea how flawed the initial 1080 fence was and that's why Qwas came up with the idea in the first place. I like the rail dogs too. Connecting the dogs underneath the Festool rail was also his idea and  makes a lot of cuts far faster, easier and smarter.

Nick is absolutely right.  I had the old MFT 1080 at the time I first used the Qwas products, huge improvement. 

 

[mastercabman]

I am a little confused about this "QWAS INVENTION"   What exactly does it do? ???
Isn't it what the angle unit with the fence that comes with the MFT do? ???
Sorry if i don't get it.

In truth what some of Qwas' ideas/equipment do is the same as the angle guide (they both let you cut accurate angles using the holes in the mft) however I think Qwas' way of doing it makes more sense and is quicker.

Maybe a dumb question but what so hard to adjust the fence of the MFT to whatever degree you want?
I don't use my table for cutting a whole lot,but after reading that post about his invention,looks a lot harder and longer to do than using the Festool fence that comes with the MFT.    Am i wrong ?

 

[nickao]

Did you have a 1080? I may be wrong, but my guess is you never used the fence for the 1080, if you did you would know. It just was not a very effective fence. Plus, the reading of that thread is way harder than using what Steve proposes in actual practice.

If you do not have any Qwas dogs or use the Qwas rail dogs give them a try, you may be surprised. I really do not use the Qwas dogs for angles at all anymore, but I use the Qwas dogs everyday for other things. For alignment, as a stop, attached to the bottom of the rail and for a fence set up I tucked away where it only connects to the holes, not the extrusions. I will have to dig that out after the move. I even use them on my CNC machine. They are a nice as a regular low profile 20mm bench dog too, not really that easy to find.