North American TS60 doesn't have PlugIt??

[guybo]

A Plug-it saw is nice but a Plug-it conversion on a saw is not.

Years ago I converted my old ATF 55 to Plug-it. It’s an old saw and now relegated to running a tiny fine tooth metal cutting blade with a 1mm kerf so I don’t use it often but I did use it yesterday.

The Plug-it connector hangs down just right to snag on the end of the guide rail when starting a cut. When that happens I wish I hadn’t made the change but when I put the saw back in the  Systainer and see all the accessories in there (more than are currently available) I’m glad I don’t have to wrap the cord in too. (I need an editor. Fives “I”s in one sentence)

Yes, the festool engineers agree thats why they put a clip for the cord on the side to get it out of the way, no hang ups

 

[Crazyraceguy]

There's also a question of the location of the connection. A converted saw is probably one of those situations where there are a few inches of cable, then the connector. I could definitely see that is a problem.
My plan would be to use an original connector for a TS55 in the housing, just like the factory would do it. Certainly the housing is moulded that way?

 

[mino]

A Plug-it saw is nice but a Plug-it conversion on a saw is not.
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When I convert, I either try to "embed" the PlugIt into the tool boby, or shorten the cable to the absolute minimum. Not as original, but works OK-ish.

When the full cable length of the conversion kit is left in place, then it can be very unwieldy indeed.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

A Plug-it saw is nice but a Plug-it conversion on a saw is not.
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When I convert, I either try to "embed" the PlugIt into the tool boby, or shorten the cable to the absolute minimum. Not as original, but works OK-ish.

When the full cable length of the conversion kit is left in place, then it can be very unwieldy indeed.

Yeah [member=61254]mino[/member] I'm assuming that the case will accept the proper fitting, just like the TS55, so you would never know it wasn't a factory install.

 

[Coen]

Show me the clause where they can exclude warranty on things shipped in from another country.
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For a start. If you buy from a UK company, your contract - and any consumer protections - are with that company and that company only.

Second, any consumer protections are generally country laws, or, at best, trade block laws (EU).

Thirdly, beyond that, the All-Inclusive warranty, is very explicitly a commercial service with its terms.
Including conditions under on how one can claim it. This is why it is registration-only. By registering one agrees to those terms. I am pretty sure a Festool-UK-paid free *worldwide* repair shipping is not in those conditions. In the UK. The same as they are not obliged, in any way or form, to ship it back internationally. I am pretty sure the F UK service department is not even enabled for international shipping (with all its legal quagmires).

And last. Individual imports, be this in the US or anywhere else. Where they are even allowed by law, are based on the premise that *the importer* is the entity responsible for all compliance, repair, basically everything. Had FestoolUSA (officially) accepted to service independently imported parts, they can be held under common law as a "facillitator" of bypassing UL certifications and what not by the FTC ...

I think the best option here, is wait for the official announcements. Then request a PlugIt version from your rep. The more reqs. they get, the more likely someone will look into it and either explain or make it happen.

Protool, a TTS company, was selling PlugIt and fixed versions of many of their tools alongside. Not see a reason why Festool cannot do same for specific use cases like the HK series saws.

Yes, I already referenced the shipping issue before. But bluntly stating that Festool UK will deny warranty on an item bought in the UK shipped to them from the USA is just bogus. That Festool UK isn't gonna ship it free of charge back to the USA is pretty obvious yeah.

 

[keithwwalker]

Interesting context on the UK 110V tool - apparently it is used primarily at construction sites and the voltage is obtained from a center tap of a transformer resulting in two phases of 55v each, which oppose in waveform to make 110v.  How a two phase 110v machine would act when it is subjected to 120v single phase (US voltage) is open for debate.

 

[Coen]

Interesting context on the UK 110V tool - apparently it is used primarily at construction sites and the voltage is obtained from a center tap of a transformer resulting in two phases of 55v each, which oppose in waveform to make 110v.  How a two phase 110v machine would act when it is subjected to 120v single phase (US voltage) is open for debate.

No it's not. It won't work any different at all.

 

[peter halle]

Interesting looking at the Festool UK ekat for the TS-60.

In the parts diagram it shows a cord for the 110 volt  - not a plug it socket housing. Also show is the use of clamps (part 60) to hold the cord to the housing and fill in where a socket housing would go.

There is a part (#37) that is not used.

But if you look at the 230v model part #37 which is a socket housing is used and the clamps and the cord are not show.

Both images below are of the 110V UK model.

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Just passing on what is on the ekat.

Peter

 

[alltracman78]

Yes, I already referenced the shipping issue before. But bluntly stating that Festool UK will deny warranty on an item bought in the UK shipped to them from the USA is just bogus. That Festool UK isn't gonna ship it free of charge back to the USA is pretty obvious yeah.

If Festool UK receives a tool from the US the assumption would be that it was used in the US. Which would most likely void the warranty. Even if it was a UK 120 volt tool.
I haven't read all through Festools warranty info, but I'm pretty sure there's something about misuse or improper use in there. And I'm guessing they would apply that to a tool that was plugged into a different power grid that what it was designed for.
It's possible you could hire a lawyer and sue and force them to repair it, but I wouldn't count on it.

They weren't even interested in giving me advice over email regarding my HK85, never mind warranty repair.

Interesting context on the UK 110V tool - apparently it is used primarily at construction sites and the voltage is obtained from a center tap of a transformer resulting in two phases of 55v each, which oppose in waveform to make 110v.  How a two phase 110v machine would act when it is subjected to 120v single phase (US voltage) is open for debate.

Should react just fine. US 240 is also postive/negative in the same way (not true 2 phase but that's another story) and European 240 volt tools work just fine on it.

 

[Svar]

Interesting context on the UK 110V tool - apparently it is used primarily at construction sites and the voltage is obtained from a center tap of a transformer resulting in two phases of 55v each, which oppose in waveform to make 110v.  How a two phase 110v machine would act when it is subjected to 120v single phase (US voltage) is open for debate.

I have several UK 110V tools and they work on US 120V perfectly fine. In fact, Mafell for example uses exact same electrical parts for US and UK 110V.

 

[jeh]

Interesting context on the UK 110V tool - apparently it is used primarily at construction sites and the voltage is obtained from a center tap of a transformer resulting in two phases of 55v each, which oppose in waveform to make 110v.  How a two phase 110v machine would act when it is subjected to 120v single phase (US voltage) is open for debate.

My 110V UK tools work perfectly in the US.

 

[redsoxsurfer]

I watched Bent's Woodworking youtube video last night where he reviewed this saw.  The reason for the full cord was that the new brushless motor exceeded the power limits for a Plug-it cable here in the US.  That is not the case in the UK.  Different country, different restrictions.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I watched Bent's Woodworking youtube video last night where he reviewed this saw.  The reason for the full cord was that the new brushless motor exceeded the power limits for a Plug-it cable here in the US.  That is not the case in the UK.  Different country, different restrictions.

Not true. It doesn't draw any more power than the TS75, and it has Plug-it. That's propaganda being pushed by an insider.
Mine is a UK 110v model that has been converted to Plug-it.....works just fine. I have used it every workday since early June.

 

[Svar]

I watched Bent's Woodworking youtube video last night where he reviewed this saw.  The reason for the full cord was that the new brushless motor exceeded the power limits for a Plug-it cable here in the US.  That is not the case in the UK.  Different country, different restrictions.

Brushless motor draws less current than brushed per same mechanical power output, because it's more efficient.

 

[bwehman]

I watched Bent's Woodworking youtube video last night where he reviewed this saw.  The reason for the full cord was that the new brushless motor exceeded the power limits for a Plug-it cable here in the US.  That is not the case in the UK.  Different country, different restrictions.

Not true. It doesn't draw any more power than the TS75, and it has Plug-it. That's propaganda being pushed by an insider.
Mine is a UK 110v model that has been converted to Plug-it.....works just fine. I have used it every workday since early June.

To be fair - I don't know why Festool would want to omit the PI cord if given the option to include it. They know it's a competitive advantage. As a result, it's most likely true, that it's some regulatory restriction they were compelled to comply with. Maybe there's different regulations for brushless vs brushed motors. IDK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[AstroKeith]

I watched Bent's Woodworking youtube video last night where he reviewed this saw.  The reason for the full cord was that the new brushless motor exceeded the power limits for a Plug-it cable here in the US.  That is not the case in the UK.  Different country, different restrictions.

Brushless motor draws less current than brushed per same mechanical power output, because it's more efficient.

Not necessarily. I design drives for big telescopes using brushless motors. An ordinary ammeter will show 0.5A current draw, but in fact they are 5A pulses being averaged out. These types of drives catches a lot of people out who use low current flex to connect to power sources, which has too high a resistance for the drive to operate correctly. Same story with speaker cables.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I’m not technically savvy enough to weigh in on the brushless amperage aspect but will note that it took less than half as long as usual for the TS60 to be offered in NA after being introduced in Europe.

Crazy Race Guy conspired to get one from GB anticipating that it would be months before he could buy one here and it turned out to just be a few weeks.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

Crazy Race Guy conspired to get one from GB

You mean finessed .......  [big grin] [big grin]

 

[Michael Kellough]

Crazy Race Guy conspired to get one from GB

You mean finessed .......  [big grin] [big grin]

Un-indicted co-finessor number one.  [cool]

 

[Cheese]

Un-indicted co-finessor number one.  [cool]

Cute... [thumbs up]