OF1400 versus Domino

Bainiet

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Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what the main advantage is off the Domino over the 'normal' routers? I know the domino is much easier to work with and can save you a lot of time but time is not an issue for me. Besides this is helping me too  ;) OF-FH 2200
Christmas is coming up, so maybe I should put it on the long, long list... [dead horse]
 
Bainiet said:
Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what the main advantage is off the Domino over the 'normal' routers? I know the domino is much easier to work with and can save you a lot of time but time is not an issue for me. Besides this is helping me too  ;) OF-FH 2200
Christmas is coming up, so maybe I should put it on the long, long list... [dead horse]
Bainiet,

Hmmm... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Domino is not a router.   Yes, it routs a hole and yes, you could use one to rout a Domino hole, but that's about it.   The Domino's closest cousins are dowel jigs and biscuit joiners.  

I have a Domino.  It's a great tool.  I have an OF1400.  It's a great tool.   But not in the same category.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Definitely Domino is not router. You can ask to compare Domino vs biscuit jointer, or domino vs dowel machine.

 
Dan Clark said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Domino is not a router.

VictorL said:
Definitely Domino is not router. You can ask to compare Domino vs biscuit jointer, or domino vs dowel machine.

I defenitely hate to disagree with you guys but the Domino sure is a router. The word "routing" does not refer to the shape of the machine but to the action of what it does and what it does is route a hole.

Festool calls it a router, that should be 'nuff said. The tool is called the Domino DF 500 Q, DF stands for Dübelfräse which means "dowel router". Fräse = German for router.

Bainiet said:
Can anyone tell me what the main advantage is off the Domino over the 'normal' routers? I know the domino is much easier to work with and can save you a lot of time but time is not an issue for me. Besides this is helping me too  ;) OF-FH 2200

Bainiet, there is no comparison between the Domino and a normal router. It's a whole different tool. The cutting action is more or less the same, but that's where all similarities end. The main difference is in how you align the tool to your workpiece, how you hold it and how you move it to make the cut. With a normal router this is sooooooo incredibly clumsy compared to the Domino.

Could you do the same with a normal router? Of course, but be prepared to make lots and lots of different jigs for your router to guarantee alignment, straightness, stability and hole size. That's very time consuming and for a professional not cost effective. But if you're a hobbyist who's time doesn't cost money and you're willing to put 15-30 minutes into one single hole, then a normal router could work for you. The domino on the other hand, will make the same cut perfectly, in a couple of seconds, and without any hassle.
 
Bainiet said:
Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what the main advantage is off the Domino over the 'normal' routers? I know the domino is much easier to work with and can save you a lot of time but time is not an issue for me. Besides this is helping me too  ;) OF-FH 2200
Christmas is coming up, so maybe I should put it on the long, long list... [dead horse]

I think I understand your question. Whether to buy a domino for mortis and tenon work or a router to route the mortise. I guess the answer would be set up speed and ease of use. If your going to mortise just a few large pieces then go with the router. If you plan on mortising a whole lot of pieces and use it as your prime method of joinery then I would go with the domino.

Hope this helps
 
If speed in creating mortises is your prime consideration, the Domino wins.
Here is my Domino substitute, which is slow but accurate.
My Mortise Jig for OF1400
The acrylic jig you linked to is easier, the MortisePal is easier than my jig as well.

-Pete
 
Pete Pedisich said:
If speed in creating mortises is your prime consideration, the Domino wins.
Here is my Domino substitute, which is slow but accurate.
My Mortise Jig for OF1400
The acrylic jig you linked to is easier, the MortisePal is easier than my jig as well.

-Pete

You've done a lot of nice work there Pete.  8020 offers a free DVD for others that like to tinker & make their own jigs: http://8020.net/

http://www.mortisepal.com/

I use my Domino far more than my OF 1400 -- very fast & accurate for floating M&T's.  The DF 500 does have it's limits for scale of work, that's where the OF 1400 comes into play.  Here comes the DF 700 for those larger scale projects...  [unsure]
 
Its a good question.  I have both the OF1400 and the Domino.  Here's how I generally divide up the work:

If its a one-off project with no huge structural needs (e.g. exterior door, workbench), curves or compound angles, definitely a Domino.  No brainer.

In my opinion, the Domino lacks an effective clamping mechanism for complex joinery.  If you need to make several mortises at compound angles, making a router jig will save time.  Ditto for curved work.

I love Pete's jig, but my technique is much simpler.  Make a simple jig and toss it when you finish the project.  Here are some hints:

Use your OF1400 (or other router) on a guide rail.  Put a 1/2 inch bit in it and plow a through slot into 1/4 inch MDF.  More on calculating length in a second.  This slot will guide a 1/2 outside diameter guide bushing (Festool calls them copy rings) that you place in your OF1400 when you are ready to mortise.  I usually make 3/8 thick mortises (3/8 inch collet and a 3/8 inch endmill) so I need to make the slot in the mdf a little long to accomodate the final length of the mortise.  The extra length is simply the difference between the 1/2 od on the guide bushing and the 3/8 inch diameter of the end mill or router bit (1/2-3/8 = 1/8) so make it 1/8 longer on each end of the mortise.  This formula works for any size bit, just be sure there is clearance between the bit and the inside of the bushing.  OK, end of math.

You can use stops on your rail to cut the grooves accurately to length.  

Now the beauty part, once you have the setup, make a bunch of these in often used lengths.  I space about 6 inches between grooves.  Most of your work is done for a few years and you have spent a few $ on 1/4 mdf.

Now use a pencil and a good ruler to lay out a mortise on a workpiece (or scrap).  You can lay a grooved mdf over the layout and align with your eyeballs.  Clamp it to the workpiece.  Find a piece of hardwood scrap, maybe 3/4 thick, couple of inches wide and 6 or so inches longer (maybe more).  Place it against the workpiece, under the mdf.  I just shoot a few pins through the mdf and into the scrap.  Now you have a fence.

When ready to route, clamp the fence, run the router with the guide bushing in the mdf slot and you are done.

For extra credit, make the jig so that it will register against a key reference on the workpiece, say top of the table leg and top of the apron.  If you have curved stock, draw the curve on fence scrap, bandsaw, smooth, and go on from there as usual.

Extremely versatile, costs next to nothing and very accurate.  I use these to make chairs which have compound angles on curved surfaces.  Without a curve and with the slots already in the MDF, I can make one in about 15 minutes, mostly spent on laying out the first mortise on the workpiece.

 
RonWen said:
Pete Pedisich said:
If speed in creating mortises is your prime consideration, the Domino wins.
Here is my Domino substitute, which is slow but accurate.
My Mortise Jig for OF1400
The acrylic jig you linked to is easier, the MortisePal is easier than my jig as well.

-Pete

You've done a lot of nice work there Pete.  8020 offers a free DVD for others that like to tinker & make their own jigs: http://8020.net/

http://www.mortisepal.com/

I use my Domino far more than my OF 1400 -- very fast & accurate for floating M&T's.  The DF 500 does have it's limits for scale of work, that's where the OF 1400 comes into play.  Here comes the DF 700 for those larger scale projects...  [unsure]

@Pete: I found this jigg earlier. It's like Ronwen said: "a nice piece of work" but probably too complex for me. Besides my stuff stands in the garage with humidity levels varying from 99%. Yes, it's has water on the floor right now  :-[  Another reason for using Festool & systainers.

@Ronwen: "DF 700 for larger scale projects" okay, but still limited  ;D

@Jesse: Thanks, your solution is for me probably the cheapest and easiest way to go. Make a jigg, use it and burn it  [bite tongue]

For those that wonder: Yes, I do have a OF1400 and No, I don't have a Domino, yet. [embarassed] With the introduction of the DF700 I was once again tempted but hey, I can route mortises and tenons in any dimension. The MFT3 or the TF1400 with the proper bits are helping me out from time to time.

[thanks]
 
Alex said:
I definitely hate to disagree with you guys but the Domino sure is a router. The word "routing" does not refer to the shape of the machine but to the action of what it does and what it does is rout a hole.

The Domino can be used to plunge cut a hole. That is its *only* practical comparison to a proper working router. Whether you want to call the Domino a router is not what you should be thinking. It's what tool in practise it can be compared to is what's important. A Domino is closest to a biscuit joiner and dowelling jig, ideally a combination of the two. A standard router, while running, can be moved around to dado or edge cut wood. The Domino most definitely cannot (or should not) be used to dado or edge cut anything.
 
Drillpress / hand brace, saw, chisel ??

I'm a hobbyist / DIYer. I buy Festool because it makes my jobs quicker and easier, the tools are reliable and well supported and I enjoy using them.

The OF 1400 and the DF 500 are at completely different ends of the spectrum and both do very different jobs, very well.

If you really have all the time in the world, don't buy power tools - spend the money on wood!

Also, take a big chunk of your time, put it in a box and send it over to me  [smile]
 
Pete, that jig is amazing.... prob. a bit overkill, but sure looked like an interesting design / build project! 
 
I've always looked at it as the Domino routes a slot, not a hole.  Tomato, tomato.  Buy both, have fun!
 
Just my two cents, but until I bought the Domino I used my OF 1400 with the Mortise Pal. It's a great combo, but the Mortise Pal has been gathering dust ever since. I keep thinking I should get rid of it, but for larger floating joinery it may have a place in my shop... some day.... maybe?
 
Deke said:
I keep thinking I should get rid of it, but for larger floating joinery it may have a place in my shop... some day.... maybe?

Sell the Mortise Pal and buy the XL 700. You know you want it.  [drooling]
 
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