Opinion on MTF

pmarcusm

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I have decided to buy an MTF and wanted to get some opinions. I am not sure whether to get the MTF/3 or the basic. I do not have the track saw and not sure if I will get it in the future, so the question is get the rail system or not. Can I use the rails as a guide on my circular saw that I have and cut over the edge? Are there other uses besides the track saw? I don't mind spending the extra $100 bucks, but will I really use the rails?

Marcus
 
Hi Marcus,

The MFT/3 is my most used Festool...I use it for everything from sanding, assembly, finishing and of course using guided tools.  Routers and jigsaws also use the rail so if you have plans on adding them at some point you can take advantage of it.  Otherwise I would save the money and buy the MFT/3 basic.  Why spend it if you are not going to use it?

Scot
 
if you add up the cost of everything, the basic isn't worth it.the cost of the two stops and guide rail put you financially ahead, then add all the other stuff.its is one of the better "packages"
 
I have one of each, and should have purchased two of the complete sets instead. For the extra $100 you will get a rail you can use on or off the MFT, any time you need a nice straight edge there it is. The rail sells for $95 alone. You get a nice fence that you can use without the rail, and it has a miter gauge so you could do layouts or other cutting or set ups on the MFT, not to mention glue ups, clamping, sanding on the MFT itself. I agree the $625.00 set is one of Festools better "package" deals!
 
One thing I have learned from others here is to always get the sets when it comes to festool.

But to answer your question, depends how much you want to get into festool.
MFT and a TS are the foundations to the system
 
jobsworth said:
One thing I have learned from others here is to always get the sets when it comes to festool.

But to answer your question, depends how much you want to get into festool.
MFT and a TS are the foundations to the system

That's why the "basic" isn't avalable in Europe, unless you pick out the parts in EKAT and build it yourself  [wink]

Festoolviking
 
The basic mft is useful if you already have another mft with the fence and you want an extension table.
 
pmarcusm, I think you should have an extended and critic view and play with one before you commit to the buy, depending on your particular use there might be some serious downsides to an MFT/3, not in the least the cost.

It took me a long time to decide between an MFT/3 and a Walko. In the end I went for the MFT/3 because of the guide rail. But after owning one for almost a year now as I do more and more small on-site jobs nowadays I'm getting more and more frustrated with the MFT/3's portability and inaccuracy. Even though it's advertised as a portable workbench, it's quite a pain in the a** and cumbersome to take with you on the job. So ironically I find myself looking more and more at a Walko again :(
You should also know that making miter cuts with this thing is absolutely not precise, there's too much play in the miter gauge to have accurate miter cuts. In general getting your protractor squared up again if you make adjustments is a real pain.
If you use it as delivered out of the box, the only thing it's excellent at is clamping & straight cross cuts. Portability, size and stability are a compromise.

So my advice? Absolutely get one if you're going to use it solely in the workshop, but be sure to also get the support braces or fold up the legs and put it on a custom base, because it's pretty wobbly otherwise. Definitely get some bench, rail, whatever dogs. They're far quicker & accurate to work with than the standard protractor. You'll most likely need to make some adjustments and buy some extra's to get the performance you want, but if you do, depending on what you want it to do for you, it truly might be great.

And like others have said, for people in the states it's mostly a very expensive table with holes in the top. Since you guys don't get all the accessories, like the vaccuum clamp (which I also have) or all the MFT/3-VL inserts, the only thing it's got going over there is that it's got a CNC'd top and you can attach a rail to it to make cuts. Not sure if that's worth all the money for just that. It's less expensive to just buy the MFT/3 extrusions & rail attachment parts to add them to a custom table.

So in conclusion, I don't want you to take this as a negative rant about the MFT/3. It's not a bad table at all. It can be quite good after you put some work & accessories into it. But it's really not the precision setup that some claim it to be, out of the box, and that grinds my gears! Of couse not everyone has the same expectations and way of working and some might genuinely be very happy about how it performs. But still, you deserve to hear about some other experiences besides all the positive ones, before you spend that amount of hard earned money on anything.

I'll keep mine and keep adding to it, because I'm already too heavily invested in it now, but I'm torn if I'd do it again if I had a do-over.
 
I needed more space than one MFT provides so I bought the full set MFT/3 plus another basic MFT and bolted them together.

I found my set up was greatly improved when I added the cross braces on each leg. Much more stable.

I missed having a full size vise so built an extension on one of the MFTs for my vise. Works incredibly well.

I agree with a previous post that buying the Festool sets is a good idea.
 
I looked over the Walko when it was available @ Woodcraft. It is a handy table, I admit, but it sure ain't no lightweight.
And all of those loose parts. A lot to keep track of when transporting from job to job.

I have three MFT tables.  I started with the 1080 and a year later got the 800.  When the MFT/3 came available, i got that as well.
I use them all, but my main work area is over the /3.  I got every one of them as sets and do not regret. I did not like the protractor set up on the earlier tables, but the one on the /3 is dead on and easily removed and them reset on the table when needed.  As long as all of the lock screws are tight, i have no problem with it going out of alignment from moving.

I am contemplating putting either one of the old style tables into storage or giving to GS.  If I do that, i will make something along the idea of Rn Paulk's portable bench and will use it off of my /3.  It would be much narrower over all than either his bench or either of my MFT's.  i need floor space and something like that would give me the space and portability. 

I don't use any of the MFT's only for cutting materials.  That Swiss cheese top is great for assembly purposes and gets used often.  The holes are in perfectly square alignment and with clamps and dogs, it is simple and quick to square up parts for glueing. 

The only problem i have with my MFT's is that they are somewhat unstable for hand planing.  Light edge planing of short pieces I can handle, but if i have to face plane or joint a long board, i have to brace.  My shop is narrow and a couple of 2x's serve as temp and quick bracing from wall to table.
Tinker 

 
Lot's of great info from everyone. I will add that I am seriously thinking about building a version of a rolling cart with drawers and other features that I saw in a Shopnotes magazine and mounting the MTF to the top, which would make it more stable. I was at a Rockler recently and put my hand on one and it was a bit wobbly. I was already planning on building the other cart for the drawers and work surface and then the idea of adding the MTF to the top popped into my head.
My space is limited like many guys garages are, so the cart and MTF appeals to me. I would make the cart so that the MTF could be removed and used free standing if needed. I have a real need for a solid work surface for all my new Festools that I have bought in the last month and a half. I am now using my Sawstop and a B&D workmate for my tables.
I was planning to order one in the next few days, but just wanted to hear from others about their experiences with them.
Thanks for the replies!
My first tool was the domino joiner and it one rockin' tool!
Now the CT-26, ETS150/3 and RO90 later, I need a more solid place to play with them!
 
pmarcusm said:
Lot's of great info from everyone. I will add that I am seriously thinking about building a version of a rolling cart with drawers and other features that I saw in a Shopnotes magazine and mounting the MTF to the top, which would make it more stable. I was at a Rockler recently and put my hand on one and it was a bit wobbly. I was already planning on building the other cart for the drawers and work surface and then the idea of adding the MTF to the top popped into my head.
My space is limited like many guys garages are, so the cart and MTF appeals to me. I would make the cart so that the MTF could be removed and used free standing if needed. I have a real need for a solid work surface for all my new Festools that I have bought in the last month and a half. I am now using my Sawstop and a B&D workmate for my tables.
I was planning to order one in the next few days, but just wanted to hear from others about their experiences with them.
Thanks for the replies!
My first tool was the domino joiner and it one rockin' tool!
Now the CT-26, ETS150/3 and RO90 later, I need a more solid place to play with them!

As you are designing and thinking of you cart system you should search here also.  Tons of examples.  Might save some time and give you some ideas.

Peter
 
pmarcusm said:
I have decided to buy an MTF and wanted to get some opinions. I am not sure whether to get the MTF/3 or the basic. I do not have the track saw and not sure if I will get it in the future, so the question is get the rail system or not. Can I use the rails as a guide on my circular saw that I have and cut over the edge? Are there other uses besides the track saw? I don't mind spending the extra $100 bucks, but will I really use the rails?

Marcus

Get the full MFT.
 
I just took possession of my first MFT, and my first thought was.  WOW-- I really like this table.  But after playing around with it. It has endless possibilities.  Especially if you have all the compatible tools.  It's the heart of the beast really.  Everything kind of comes together when you have the MFT.
 
I hope Festool will produce a MFT as a replacement for a cabinet saw outfeed table.  Big space saver.
 
jonathan-m said:
You should also know that making miter cuts with this thing is absolutely not precise, there's too much play in the miter gauge to have accurate miter cuts.
Agree that the miter gauge is next to useless, but the holes in the MFT will give you a dead on 45 degree angle you can place your rail against.

Anyhow, get the tracksaw!  Life is too short to waste it cleaning up after a circular saw. [big grin]

 
I'll agree with most of what was said above and really do recommend the TS55 track saw. The Festool vac completes the system. I get a little dust at the end of a cut on the MFT with the TS, but nothing compared to what I used to get with a DeWalt circular saw.

I use Qwas dogs and a Woodpecker framing square to line up my track. I've never used the protractor that came with the MFT. I did add the Slopstop and it effectively eliminates any side to side movement of the track. It's a cheap add-on and very worthwhile. I am able to saw and plane on my dual MFT only because I added a heavy vise and its supporting leg set. My dual MFT set up isn't intended to be mobile.

I have gotten some sag in the MFT top. I flipped it and the sag has disappeared.

In summary, The dual MFT, its track, Qwas dogs, Slop stop. TS55, and Festool vac are now at the core of most of what I do.
 
pmarcusm said:
I have decided to buy an MTF and wanted to get some opinions. I am not sure whether to get the MTF/3 or the basic. I do not have the track saw and not sure if I will get it in the future, so the question is get the rail system or not. Can I use the rails as a guide on my circular saw that I have and cut over the edge? Are there other uses besides the track saw? I don't mind spending the extra $100 bucks, but will I really use the rails?

Marcus

Hmmmm.

Seems a bit of a luxury without a track saw, or non-optimal with just a circular saw.
I think that the makita TS fits, in case you want to consider a circular saw.

You can always poke holes in a top for the idea of the clamping table (Paulk).

You will only use the rails if you have a track saw or jig saw that fits on rails. And it is possible to put a Bosch rail on an MFT.

Depending on where you are, you may be able to find one in the classifieds.
 
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