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[jmbfestool]

Jmb, thats not how solar works.

solar panels create electricity to store in batteries    Generator creates electricity  to store in batteries  same thing

 

[Deansocial]

Not often does solar get store in batteries

 

[mattfc]

It's not a he its a she!  He said yes his mum says no.   I thought it was him saying no but found out it was her.

We offered money and assured that everything would be put back.     The cable runs parrarel with the lane.  It's about 2metres into the field.    The field is used for cows grazing it looks like a mud field  and a 2metre 300mm wide trench would go unnoticed.  The farmers hedge is patched up with pallets and scrap bits of wood.    So if anything it would look better after we repaired everything.

You know what they say, jmb - easier to ask for forgiveness than permission!

Could you not sneak out there with a spade & run the cable in the night? They might never notice.... [tongue]

Was thinking the same.. else name and shame as this seems really unreasonable. I would try the guilt trip, offer to make a good donation to a charity of her choice in return allowing the cable to be laid.. If she says no.. its a nice story for a local rag!

 

[jmbfestool]

Wait. I thought the "2 meters" was a typo, and the length was actually 200 meters going across the land. I'm not sure about the law in the UK, but in the U.S. the utility company has what's called easement rights for this very reason. The homeowner cannot say "no". It is technically not their property to deny access to. You may want to look into that.

Geez, I thought this trench had to run all the way across her field or something. As a matter of fact, you might even discover that what you and she thinks is the property line is wrong. Around here, utility connections are placed on[/b the property lines, not 2 meters inside of them. She may even owe you 2 meters of land, for all you know.

No not a typo  it is only just on the other side of the hedge ill upload a picture

 

[Rick Christopherson]

Not often does solar get store in batteries

Correct. The cost for batteries would be outrageously expensive. Homes with solar panels simply augment utility power during the day. They typically aren't large enough to supply an entire house by themselves. It is also extremely expensive just for the basic system, and take decades to pay for them selves in the savings from the utility bill.

 

[mattfc]

Not often does solar get store in batteries

correct.. nearly always just fed back into the grid.. you have a meter to show how much. Often I think solar installation are wired such that all the power goes into the grid, and you consume no solar powered electricity. Financially makes sense to do it this was, as the feed in tariffs are subsidised and are much higher than what you pay

am sure the are some offgrid solar set-up using batteries, but thats not the norm

 

[mattfc]

Wait. I thought the "2 meters" was a typo, and the length was actually 200 meters going across the land. I'm not sure about the law in the UK, but in the U.S. the utility company has what's called easement rights for this very reason. The homeowner cannot say "no". It is technically not their property to deny access to. You may want to look into that.

Geez, I thought this trench had to run all the way across her field or something. As a matter of fact, you might even discover that what you and she thinks is the property line is wrong. Around here, utility connections are placed on[/b the property lines, not 2 meters inside of them. She may even owe you 2 meters of land, for all you know.

No not a typo  it is only just on the other side of the hedge ill upload a picture

you have to get to the bottom of the objection... if she is some kind of hedge lover or something, for 2 meters there has to be another way, I have seen these mini tunneling machines that have some sort of thumper head, and pull a small  2" pipe or something.. might be another option

 

[jmbfestool]

It's not a he its a she!  He said yes his mum says no.   I thought it was him saying no but found out it was her.

We offered money and assured that everything would be put back.     The cable runs parrarel with the lane.  It's about 2metres into the field.    The field is used for cows grazing it looks like a mud field  and a 2metre 300mm wide trench would go unnoticed.  The farmers hedge is patched up with pallets and scrap bits of wood.    So if anything it would look better after we repaired everything.

You know what they say, jmb - easier to ask for forgiveness than permission!

Could you not sneak out there with a spade & run the cable in the night? They might never notice.... [tongue]

I have been up and asked nicely offered money  asked why.    

Her words:  

Her: It was my Dads,  I dont want it disturbing, You know where I am coming from?!    

Me: No not really

Her:  Well cant you find another route because I dont want my field disturbing

Me: Well the only other route in where the cable enters your field which is in front of your drive but the lane is marked as unregistered on the Land registry but I assume you might own it.  If yo wont allow me into your field would you allow me to connect in the lane.

Her: Show me where it is then come back to me. Oh another thing we are planning ploughing the field soon any way.

Me: Okay ill get some drawings

(I returned with some drawings of alternative route)

Her: Umm leave it with me ill have a think about it can I keep the drawings and talk to my brother about it.

Me:  Okay (thinking to my self shes going to say no!)

 

[Deansocial]

Not often does solar get store in batteries

Correct. The cost for batteries would be outrageously expensive. Homes with solar panels simply augment utility power during the day. They typically aren't large enough to supply an entire house by themselves. It is also extremely expensive just for the basic system, and take decades to pay for them selves in the savings from the utility bill.

Maybe true in the states but in uk we have feed in tariff that mean payback time of a good system is 6-7years now the it makes profit after that. Fit is only paid for 25 years.

Matt you get generation tarrif reguardless wether you use the leccy or not.

 

[Alan m]

i dont think i would trust the genny for the house as well as the shop. i think that the shop would be a priority adn that the house would only get whats left over. you might run out or run low at times and ruin something. or annoy the future mrs jmb

i would definetly look into legal can you force them to let you in. there surly must be some kind of right of way in

if i was powering my shop with a gennny i would use the not use power to heat up a block of thermal mass inside the shop or house. maybe even a block of phase change material.
i dont think batteries are a good option . there are a lot of costs involved with very little benifits

did you sit down with the woman and ask here what she wants to allow you in

 

[jmbfestool]

Wait. I thought the "2 meters" was a typo, and the length was actually 200 meters going across the land. I'm not sure about the law in the UK, but in the U.S. the utility company has what's called easement rights for this very reason. The homeowner cannot say "no". It is technically not their property to deny access to. You may want to look into that.

Geez, I thought this trench had to run all the way across her field or something. As a matter of fact, you might even discover that what you and she thinks is the property line is wrong. Around here, utility connections are placed on[/b the property lines, not 2 meters inside of them. She may even owe you 2 meters of land, for all you know.

No not a typo  it is only just on the other side of the hedge ill upload a picture

you have to get to the bottom of the objection... if she is some kind of hedge lover or something, for 2 meters there has to be another way, I have seen these mini tunneling machines that have some sort of thumper head, and pull a small  2" pipe or something.. might be another option

I think its simply because she can and she is a nasty person.  The farmers not liked by many people around here.

 

[jmbfestool]

i dont think i would trust the genny for the house as well as the shop. i think that the shop would be a priority adn that the house would only get whats left over. you might run out or run low at times and ruin something. or annoy the future mrs jmb

i would definetly look into legal can you force them to let you in. there surly must be some kind of right of way in

if i was powering my shop with a gennny i would use the not use power to heat up a block of thermal mass inside the shop or house. maybe even a block of phase change material.
i dont think batteries are a good option . there are a lot of costs involved with very little benifits

did you sit down with the woman and ask here what she wants to allow you in

I did she talks sooooo friendly but just says straight no to access to the field.  She will even start asking how am I and how is my brother etc  but no mater what I say its NO.    I never got angry I spoke friendly to her.  Not got plans to start getting nasty no point. 

Just soooo frustrating!  I never expected this to happen

 

[Rick Christopherson]

Me: Well the only other route in where the cable enters your field which is in front of your drive but the lane is marked as unregistered on the Land registry but I assume you might own it.  If yo wont allow me into your field would you allow me to connect in the lane.

I'm guessing that this is the UK equivalent of what I previously called an "Easement". It is not her land to deny access to the utility. The utility company needs access to all of their equipment in order to make repairs or even new connections such as you are requesting.

 

[mattfc]

I did she talks sooooo friendly but just says straight no to access to the field.   She will even start asking how am I and how is my brother etc  but no mater what I say its NO.    I never got angry I spoke friendly to her.  Not got plans to start getting nasty no point. 

Just soooo frustrating!  I never expected this to happen

Situation sounds pretty clear to me then.. she is playing hard to get but is really just after your body! access for access [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

Me: Well the only other route in where the cable enters your field which is in front of your drive but the lane is marked as unregistered on the Land registry but I assume you might own it.  If yo wont allow me into your field would you allow me to connect in the lane.

I'm guessing that this is the UK equivalent of what I previously called an "Easement". It is not her land to deny access to the utility. The utility company needs access to all of their equipment in order to make repairs or even new connections such as you are requesting.

Well.....   The field is hers but the Lane is  unregistered but in the UK  this doesn't mean anything it just means they dont know who owns it but most likely some one does own it.  

To access the 3phase in the lane is a further 100meters  instead of the 2 meters into the field!  So it adds £4000 to the cost!  To access in the lane!

Now the electric company said they wont connect into the lane untill we know who owns the lane even though it says unregistered so what they do is they go round asking every one who lives down the lane if they own it  and also put signs up for a week to wait for some one to contact them  and THEN if no one comes to them with proof of ownership  will the connect the 3phase in the lane.    

Knowing the history of this place I assumed the farmer would own the lane so I asked her!  If she says no I WILL ask her to show proof of ownership to deny me acces

 

[jmbfestool]

Here is the hedge it has a entry point already for me to enter!
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[jmbfestool]

Here you can see the field!  

You can see the Pole in the field!  Well thats the 3 phase HIGH voltage which is above ground!  

The 3phase LOW voltage which is what I need is underground just past the hedge!  

On the drawing  you will be able to see the HIGH voltage route AND low voltage route!  You can then see how close its to the hedge by comparison looking at the drawing and the picture from the Pole location

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[jmbfestool]

YOu can see the Red strip  with A - B route!    Well thats the alternative route as you can see it runs parallel with the low voltage three phase so if I go this route we would have 2    3phase cables running pretty much side by side to get to the same place!  Ridiculous  !

The large dashes mean 3phase the smaller dashes mean singe phase.    The green blurry stuff I added are houses  you can see they including mine are supplied by single phase from the 3phase. 

The farmers house is the one nearest to point A.  I have to drive past his house to get to my house on the corner every day.

So as you can see the 3phase is so close to my house! Then my workshop is down the bottom of the garden which I have indicated as workshop  [tongue]

 

[jmbfestool]

I did she talks sooooo friendly but just says straight no to access to the field.   She will even start asking how am I and how is my brother etc  but no mater what I say its NO.    I never got angry I spoke friendly to her.  Not got plans to start getting nasty no point. 

Just soooo frustrating!  I never expected this to happen

Situation sounds pretty clear to me then.. she is playing hard to get but is really just after your body! access for access [big grin]

uwww rather pay!  lol  [tongue]

 

[Rick Christopherson]

From a quick search, it would appear that the UK has similar easement laws that the US has. You can research that some more, and because you are in the UK, your search will show more applicable search results than my own.

An easement means that even though that person owns the portion of land, they are still limited in their powers over that portion of the land. For example, for a "utility easement", not only can they not deny access to that land, but they themselves also have limited access to that land. For example, if I read your newest post correctly, they cannot prohibit you from driving on that roadway to gain access to your own property.

P.S. You posted your drawing while I was typing. Can you identify where you think property lines and roadways are located?