recent kitchen install

[jmbfestool]

What are the grooves for in the worktop to the left of the sink? Stainless steel bars to place hot objects on?

- Kristian

Looks like the gooves are set in not stainless steel bars       so the grooves are for water drainage dude.      Good as I hate stainless steel bars look horrible

JMB

 

[sean_hogan]

spot on, for water drainage. there is a gradient on them 3mm too nothing, all for show as she has a built in dishwasher too the right of the sink

 

[jmbfestool]

Nice job by the way.  

JMB

 

[sean_hogan]

i still dont see how use 2 thought the blu foam was lights lol [laughing]

 

[sean_hogan]

Nice job by the way.  

JMB

thanks jmb

 

[jmbfestool]

i still dont see how use 2 thought the blu foam was lights lol [laughing]

If you look quickly as you scroll down it does look like it but then when you actually look at it then you can tell its not of course !  It was the first thing I noticed then I read Dean did the same thing I started to PMSL!

 

[Kristian]

spot on, for water drainage. there is a gradient on them 3mm too nothing, all for show as she has a built in dishwasher too the right of the sink

Hmmm, haven't seen this before. I have always thought it best practise to keep water away from the worktop - not encourage it by putting grooves in for drainage...  [wink]

But yeah, if the worktop and grooves are treated regularly with oil I guess it won't be a problem. Is this a general practise in your area or the customers request?

- Kristian

 

[jmbfestool]

Sean, I know you said that the customer was oiling the tops himself but I take it you oiled the undersides before fitting. I think for warranty purposes all surfaces need to be oiled, underside before fitting.  I think Howdens tops ask for 2coats underneath ?

Nice job.  That couch looks a bit out of place stuck in that corner !

I suppose it depends on what your using but I always do two coats regardless of what im using  I normally use Osmo unless the client went out and bought their own stuff which I hate cus normally its cheap crap , so first coat soaks in and seals second coat sits on top extra protection I dont like doing just one coat !  but I do the top one coat to avoid warping until fully fitted and then sand the entire worktop and joints  then do 2 or 3 coats normally,  from past experience I have learned not to let the client do it cus I turned up to this job and the client had not sealed it but tiled first and got water on the worktop and didnt wipe it off and their where dark brown black  patches I tried to sand it quickly but they where very deep and I knew would take ages to get out  so I finished what I needed and just left him to it was his problem I told him to seal it straight away  mainly to avoid cupping and warping but then he goes and gets water and tile adhesive on it Crazy!

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

spot on, for water drainage. there is a gradient on them 3mm too nothing, all for show as she has a built in dishwasher too the right of the sink

Hmmm, haven't seen this before. I have always thought it best practise to keep water away from the worktop - not encourage it by putting grooves in for drainage...  [wink]

But yeah, if the worktop and grooves are treated regularly with oil I guess it won't be a problem. Is this a general practise in your area or the customers request?

- Kristian

Well thats the point of the drainage to keep water away from the work top!  If it was just flat water would just sit on the work top but the grooves are suppose to take the water back to the sink.     The thing is a wooden work top are high maintence and will always get wet  and will always need treating regularly.   Osmo do a spray which you can use to keep on top of it to keep your work top at its best.    YEs its is general practise its a far better job than the stainless steel bars which often are just stuck on but do not help with the water drainage.  

I dont do the drainage grooves unless asked  and try and recommend a sink with a drainage board but having a under mount sink is a certain style people want but not the most practical.

JMB

 

[sean_hogan]

Sean, I know you said that the customer was oiling the tops himself but I take it you oiled the undersides before fitting. I think for warranty purposes all surfaces need to be oiled, underside before fitting.  I think Howdens tops ask for 2coats underneath ?

Nice job.  That couch looks a bit out of place stuck in that corner !

I suppose it depends on what your using but I always do two coats regardless of what im using  I normally use Osmo unless the client went out and bought their own stuff which I hate cus normally its cheap crap , so first coat soaks in and seals second coat sits on top extra protection I dont like doing just one coat !  but I do the top one coat to avoid warping until fully fitted and then sand the entire worktop and joints  then do 2 or 3 coats normally,  from past experience I have learned not to let the client do it cus I turned up to this job and the client had not sealed it but tiled first and got water on the worktop and didnt wipe it off and their where dark brown black  patches I tried to sand it quickly but they where very deep and I knew would take ages to get out  so I finished what I needed and just left him to it was his problem I told him to seal it straight away  mainly to avoid cupping and warping but then he goes and gets water and tile adhesive on it Crazy!

JMB

thanks jmb i will actually take on board what you said,im only 23 so im still learning lol, my boss told me i wasnt too do the top and the client wanted too do it anyway. ive not really had any experience when it comes too finishes

 

[jmbfestool]

Sean, I know you said that the customer was oiling the tops himself but I take it you oiled the undersides before fitting. I think for warranty purposes all surfaces need to be oiled, underside before fitting.  I think Howdens tops ask for 2coats underneath ?

Nice job.  That couch looks a bit out of place stuck in that corner !

I suppose it depends on what your using but I always do two coats regardless of what im using  I normally use Osmo unless the client went out and bought their own stuff which I hate cus normally its cheap crap , so first coat soaks in and seals second coat sits on top extra protection I dont like doing just one coat !  but I do the top one coat to avoid warping until fully fitted and then sand the entire worktop and joints  then do 2 or 3 coats normally,  from past experience I have learned not to let the client do it cus I turned up to this job and the client had not sealed it but tiled first and got water on the worktop and didnt wipe it off and their where dark brown black  patches I tried to sand it quickly but they where very deep and I knew would take ages to get out  so I finished what I needed and just left him to it was his problem I told him to seal it straight away  mainly to avoid cupping and warping but then he goes and gets water and tile adhesive on it Crazy!

JMB

thanks jmb i will actually take on board what you said,im only 23 so im still learning lol, my boss told me i wasnt too do the top and the client wanted too do it anyway. ive not really had any experience when it comes too finishes

In the end it comes down to what the client wants and if he wants to do it then he wants to do it but I now just put it in with quote doing the worktops  and if the client says ill do it to try and save money  ill say its okay ill do it no extra charge!   So the client feels happy getting something done for nothing haahaaa!  and I feel happy because the job gets done right and I know I can walk away with no come backs as in the end if the client messed it up it still looks bad on you really even though you didnt do it.  Just makes to overall job look bad.

JMB

 

[Kristian]

Yeah, I would prefer the drainage board as well if at all possible - or ultimately a dishwasher like the customer chose in this case...  [smile]

 

[jmbfestool]

Yeah, I would prefer the drainage board as well if at all possible - or ultimately a dishwasher like the customer chose in this case...  [smile]

Oh also the grooves are to stop water running to the front of the worktop down the units!  Forgot to mention da!

Yeah Like a granite sink they look nice with a drain board.

 

[sean_hogan]

dont think ave seen the drain boards use are on about [eek]

 

[woodguy7]

Forgot to say, i too thought there was blue lights at first  [embarassed]

 

[jmbfestool]

dont think ave seen the drain boards use are on about [eek]

Many styles just did a quick google search   Granite composite  

http://www.pluckpoint.com/reginox-granite-composite-sink-1-1-2-bowl-with-drainer/product

http://kitchensinksandtaps.co.uk/bali-150/3042

I like ceramic ones also!

This one is like my ceramic sink for my kitchen when I get round to build it!  White one not black even though the black one looks nice!

Ceramic White and Black

 

[Guy Ashley]

Sean

There are a lot of people on this Forum that will help out and give advice, sometimes at variance but usually sound and always willing to help out so if you have any doubts about anything fire up and you will get answers quickly.

Re the client intervention, this becoming more and more common where they try and save pennies by buying cabinets/worktops/appliances from Ebay and on line retailers. One bit of advice is if they want to do that be very careful how you price the job for your time.

One kitchen I did a couple of years ago the cabinets were bought from an on line clearance warehouse and they were nigh on impossible to work with. Luckily the client acknowledged their mistake and I got paid for my time rather than a fixed price.

If the client wants to do some of the work themselves then you need VERY clear lines of responsibility before you start.

Cracking job by the way.  

 

[Deansocial]

Forgot to say, i too thought there was blue lights at first  [embarassed]

what an idiot as if you thought that  [unsure]

 

[sean_hogan]

thanks guy ive noticed already that everyone is really friendly on here and willing too help [smile]
yeah the client wanted too save money and my boss didnt want the responsibility even though i said i would like too do it. but i do know what you mean. why spend all thast money on a kitchen then scrimp and scrape on the things that count

 

[sean_hogan]

i understand what you mean now jmb, i thought you were meaning a seperate detable drain board. that undermount sink is a franke also. the one you are getting is lovely