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[jmbfestool]

I disagree they are pretty much the same how can you say they are completely different?  

Because they simply are. There's loads of differences. The Milwaukee is a completely separate design. If you say the DeWalt is crap, I believe you, seems you speak from experience. But that doesn't mean you can generalise that to the Milwaukee just because it looks a bit similar.

The method on how to use the saw is IDENTICAL! That alone makes it pretty much the same!  

The method to use many tools is the same. Doesn't say anything about build quality.

I'm not on about build quality  as I have no idea of the Milwaukee build quality all I'm saying is they have copied the dewalt like for like in design an how it works and also appearance very much so. Just like TS55 copied by makita plunge saw built quality properly not the same still same design on how it's works has been copied. 

To me it's a design they should not of copied  like Dean said to me and like I said the only good thing about the dewalt one was its cutting quality  Dean suggested it was due to its rpm its higher than avarage I don't kno I never checked the rpm out but everything else about it is rather crap.   

If I can get hold of one I'll do a video of me using it show you what I mean. Hope I'll get one where it has gone stiffer and sticks cus that what seemed to happen to all off them over time.      You know with most chop saws you hold your stock in place and cut well with this saw you hold your stock AND your saw whe you pull because if you don't you end up lifting the dam thing up.

Jmb

 

[Dan1210]

Very old thread i know but here goes....ive owned the dewalt 707 for years and still have it, ive been using it for framing and its a chore to use now.
Im working on a first floor framing a roof and its too cumbersome getting my kapex up there on my own, anyway my brother recently bought the milwaukee saw.

I got to use it for a whole day framing out some gables, in short i love it! So much so ive just ordered one, the design is the same as the dewalt but it works like a dream, slides great and the mitre detent is real smooth and a pleasure to use, the bevel system is the same as the dewalt reach round the back and tighten the lever.
The power is awesome it dumps all over my 110v kapex. safe to say for a cheap second saw its fantastic the cuts seemed accurate and it ate through 6x2 like butter the laser actually seems sharper than on my kapex and it was dead on out of the box.

I would need to do some trim work with it to check it fully for accurate cuts but it seemed great. Seems fully tuneable if needs be.
So finally the dewalt is hanging up its boots and the kapex is on the bench for a while.
Awesome little saw lets hope it doesnt go like my 707 after a couple of years but then again that saw is over 10yrs old now...
For the £250 i paid seemed rude not to. (1800watt 240 version) should also say its very light and quite dinky, nice to move about, lighter than the 707 and slightly smaller than the dewalt.

 

[Dan1210]

I disagree they are pretty much the same how can you say they are completely different? 

Because they simply are. There's loads of differences. The Milwaukee is a completely separate design. If you say the DeWalt is crap, I believe you, seems you speak from experience. But that doesn't mean you can generalise that to the Milwaukee just because it looks a bit similar.

The method on how to use the saw is IDENTICAL! That alone makes it pretty much the same! 

The method to use many tools is the same. Doesn't say anything about build quality.

I'm not on about build quality  as I have no idea of the Milwaukee build quality all I'm saying is they have copied the dewalt like for like in design an how it works and also appearance very much so. Just like TS55 copied by makita plunge saw built quality properly not the same still same design on how it's works has been copied. 

To me it's a design they should not of copied  like Dean said to me and like I said the only good thing about the dewalt one was its cutting quality  Dean suggested it was due to its rpm its higher than avarage I don't kno I never checked the rpm out but everything else about it is rather crap.   

If I can get hold of one I'll do a video of me using it show you what I mean. Hope I'll get one where it has gone stiffer and sticks cus that what seemed to happen to all off them over time.      You know with most chop saws you hold your stock in place and cut well with this saw you hold your stock AND your saw whe you pull because if you don't you end up lifting the dam thing up.

Jmb

Ha ha jmb you are correct to a point my 707 is practically useless on a compound mitre now, im sure it was great when i first bought it tho, the milwaukee seems like a quality saw, hopefully it doesnt go like my 707.

 

[andyman]

I've still got what I think dewalt copied the original Elu I think it was the ps174 back then, I loved that saw easy to carry it earnt a lot of money.
I would still use it but ended up with play in the base which I never got repaired, I could get that repaired still.

Yep ps174 see the pic

 

[Dan1210]

Yep thats the original, my mate who i learnt my fitting trade off had that saw, very expensive at the time and a great tool, it did a heck of a lot of cornice and pelmet.
I think dewalt bought elu as the router was also the same design 625ek dewalt i believe, i forget the elu router model, my mate still has his  [eek]

 

[andyman]

And the parts are still available not cheap though [eek]

 

[andyman]

I think I paid about 400 for it around 22ish years ago definitely wasn't cheap and had our first one stolen

 

[Davej]

I remember elu being top quality 30 years ago.  As I remember ( correct me if I am wrong ) Stanley bought them out and started to put their  own running gear in as a cost cutting exercise,  and totally ruined the brand.  A bit like milwaukee and Atlas Copco. But that's just my opinion.  [tongue]

Dave

 

[andyman]

I remember elu being top quality 30 years ago.  As I remember ( correct me if I am wrong ) Stanley bought them out and started to put their  own running gear in as a cost cutting exercise,  and totally ruined the brand.  A bit like milwaukee and Atlas Copco. But that's just my opinion.  [tongue]

Dave

I thought it was dewalt took them over not definite though

 

[shed9]

I remember elu being top quality 30 years ago.  As I remember ( correct me if I am wrong ) Stanley bought them out and started to put their  own running gear in as a cost cutting exercise,  and totally ruined the brand.  A bit like milwaukee and Atlas Copco. But that's just my opinion.  [tongue]

Dave

I thought it was dewalt took them over not definite though

Stanley own DeWalt, or rather Stanely Black & Decker own DeWalt.

 

[andyman]

I new black and decker owned dewalt didn't know stanley owned b&d

 

[AlexThePalex]

I remember elu being top quality 30 years ago.  As I remember ( correct me if I am wrong ) Stanley bought them out and started to put their  own running gear in as a cost cutting exercise,  and totally ruined the brand.

First, there was Black & Decker who bought DeWalt. Then they bought Elu, absorbing it into DeWalt. They didn't ruin Elu as a brand, they simply killed it off, which was a crime by itself. Elu was a very good brand, way better than most German brands of that time like Bosch or Metabo. I was very sorry to see Elu disappear.

At first, the Elu tools simply got a new yellow coat and were now called DeWalt. Because of the very distinctive bright yellow colour and the high quality of the Elu designs, DeWalt quickly made a name for itself in Western Europe and became very popular out of nowhere. But then slowly but surely with each new generation of tools DeWalt's quality declined because of cost savings and marketing decisions, until it got to the point where it is now, 17 years later. According to lots of people it is now closer in quality to Black & Decker than to the original brand of Elu. Sad story.
 
Only a couple of years ago Stanley bought Black & Decker/DeWalt, so they are not responsible for Elu's demise.
 

 

[andyman]

Yeah used to look at Elu and wish I could buy more.
Happens all the time the big companies come in buy a quality brand then cheapen it over a few years ruining the original brands reputation

 

[shed9]

I new black and decker owned dewalt didn't know stanley owned b&d

Stanley merged with Black & Decker so not sure Stanley own them as such. The group also own Porter Cable and Mac tools and I also heard they have some hold over Facom.