Repeated Rip Cuts with TS55 + MFT + Guide

WOW!!!!!!  I was hoping to get a few answers for Chuck, but it looks like the flood gates opened!  This is excellent!  When this thread winds down, I'm going to ask Matthew to move this information to the "How To" board for reference.  Now we have multiple ways to "de-fur the feline". ;D

Regarding my try at ripping, I answered Chuck's question and posted my review of the process in a separate thread that Chuck started here:http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=669.0. 

Many, MANY thanks for the great responses.

Best regards,

Dan.

 
John Stevens said:
each jig has a metal rod that fits under the MFT, and because two points define a line, the tips of the two rods serve as a fence

What about using a threaded rod with a fine thread instead of the solid rod to ease making small adjustments when setting up the jig?  Definitely a neat little jig.

Fred
 
bruegf said:
What about using a threaded rod with a fine thread instead of the solid rod to ease making small adjustments

Cool idea.  I had thought about using the fine adjuster that's an accessory for the guide stop for the 1010 router, but that's a much simpler and more elegant solution.  Time to buy some metric rod threaded at 1mm pitch.

On my "wish list" of accessories that I wish Festool would manufacture is a jig similar to this one, but instead of a rod, use something similar to the "cross stops" that are sold for use with the Domino.  They're thin (so they can be used with really thin materials) they index every 1mm, and they have a metric scale right on them.
 
Charles Wilson said:
Hey guys.

I am "that" guy from the other forum with the question about repetative rips for fence pickets. 

Chuck

Chuck,  what is the width of the stock you are wanting to rip and what is the width of the pickets you want to produce?  A year ago I needed to make some replacement railing including balasters to match the existiing railing around my deck.  These were made by ripping 5/4" X 6" pressure treated SYP in half, then trimming to length and shaping one end by lopping off a small triangle.  The rip cuts were equally easily done using a table saw or a circular saw with an edge guide. 

In contrast, if the stock to be ripped was much wider or narrower, a different technique would be preferred, as many others have already described in detail.

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
Charles Wilson said:
Hey guys.

I am "that" guy from the other forum with the question about repetative rips for fence pickets. 

Chuck

Chuck,  what is the width of the stock you are wanting to rip and what is the width of the pickets you want to produce?  A year ago I needed to make some replacement railing including balasters to match the existiing railing around my deck.  These were made by ripping 5/4" X 6" pressure treated SYP in half, then trimming to length and shaping one end by lopping off a small triangle.  The rip cuts were equally easily done using a table saw or a circular saw with an edge guide. 

In contrast, if the stock to be ripped was much wider or narrower, a different technique would be preferred, as many others have already described in detail.

Dave R.

Dave,

Hi.  I think that many here and on another other forum believe that a tablesaw would be the preferred approach for cutting smaller, repeatable rips.  I believe that Chuck would probably buy a tablesaw, but there's a snag.  He (like me) is very safety-concious and wants a SawStop.  The issue is that the model he wants is the Contractor SawStop, which won't be out until late this year. 

In any case, as you mentioned, it will depend on the situation.  A tablesaw may be the best alternative...  Unless you need one now and want the smaller SawStop.  Or if your rips are very long.  Or if you are working onsite and need portability.  Or... a bunch of other issues.  So, it depends.

I think Chuck is trying to find the best alternatives that meets his needs now and that he can leverage in the future.

Regards,

Dan.
 
John Stevens said:
On my "wish list" of accessories that I wish Festool would manufacture is a jig similar to this one, but instead of a rod, use something similar to the "cross stops" that are sold for use with the Domino.  They're thin (so they can be used with really thin materials) they index every 1mm, and they have a metric scale right on them.

Excellent idea -- this would be a great accessory for the mft.  I will post on a new Contact Festool thread for Christian to review this one (he probably already is).

John, your imaginative jigs and helps consistently challenge us to think of new and better ways to do things.  Much appreciated.

Dave
 
Dan,
Thanks for initiating this discussion.  This kind of thing is precisely the reason this forum came to be!
Lots of great ideas here, and I definitely want to follow up on some of them and implement them in my shop.
Just let me know when you want to move this to the "How To" area.
Matthew
 
bruegf said:
What about using a threaded rod with a fine thread instead of the solid rod to ease making small adjustments when setting up the jig?  Definitely a neat little jig.

Fred

Hey Fred, those Wonder Dogs can be used to micro adjust your 'fence' board...
 
Dave Rudy said:
I will post on a new Contact Festool thread for Christian to review this one (he probably already is).

Dave, while you're at it, here are a couple more ideas along that line of thought:  (1) a strip like the Domino cross-stop, but about a meter long, just to use for miscellaneous measurement and marking tasks around the shop; and (2) one of these strips that can be retrofitted onto the MFT fence, or a new type of MFT fence that inorporates a strip like that.  Corwin is the inspiration for #2, with his addition of an Incra rail to the MFT fence.  I'll be making something like #1 soon with some Incra dual t-track and the metric racks & scales they sell.

Dave Rudy said:
John, your imaginative jigs and helps consistently challenge us to think of new and better ways to do things.  Much appreciated.

Thanks, Dave, but as you can see only a few of the ideas were mine--I'm building on other peoples' ideas, and they're building on mine.  What a great resource this forum is!

Regards,

John
 
John, That Incra Incremental Track can work like a story stick.  Somewhat large and clumsy for this task, but workable none the less.  You could mount a piece wood to use as a right-angle square to attach to the guide rail or simply use to butt up against -- ShopStop indexes against edge of workpiece -- calibrate (easy) and they are good to go.  But don't stop here...  Lots of setups -- you can use on cutting table indexed off the top of the material, or I use as a fence on the MFT ... and more!  Lots of potential with the MFT, as there are no rules!  At a later date I hope to have more on this subject -- few other things on my plate right now...

 
Everyone,
Please keep the ideas flowing on this subject.  Really, this subject was one of the original inspirations for this forum.  it's been one of my dreams to see a jig (or maybe two or three) come out of this forum for repeat cuts.  Even further, I'd love it if those ideas circulated around the Internet and became widely used.

I have always been confident that the solution is there, and that the intelligent people in this forum just need to work out the details.

I've raised this subject in other venues, and it has only caused me grief (which I won't go into).  But my guess is, it will be all inspiration here!

Let's keep going with the ideas on repeatability.

Matthew
 
Corwin said:
Hey Fred, those Wonder Dogs can be used to micro adjust your 'fence' board...

Neat, I was unaware of those.  One more thing to add to the wish list.

Thanks

Fred
 
rblau said:
clintholeman said:
I then slide the work piece under the rail, butting it against the wooden rail, support off-cut side as necessary and rip away.

I like these techniques using stops under the rails, and will give them a try, but I'm wondering about the part where you say "support the off-cut side as necessary..."  For the typical MFT setup (granted, this can be changed) there isn't much room to the off-cut side of the rail so if you're cutting strips off a wide piece you would need that support.  I actually do it a bit differently in that I use the off-cut piece as my 'keeper.'  It's probably not as fast as Lou's or Clint's method, but it allows one to use the MFT to support the piece from which you're cutting the stips.  To speed things up I use my comination square.  I set it to 3/32" plus the width of the piece I need (I've found that 3/32" is a good approx to the kerf width and it's easy to add that amount), slide the piece under the rail a bit beyond the necessary width while pushing against the fence, butt the combo square against the edge of the piece and then slide it back until the ruler part of the combo square hits the rubber strip on the rail.  I then check the distance further down the piece, away from the fence, to ensure that the width will be uniform.  After cutting the stip of wood and removing the off-cut, I lift the rail, slide the piece over again, butt the combo square, etc and recut.  A few pics would explain this in a jiffy--maybe I"ll try to do that later.
--Rob

OK, I finally got around to taking some pics as Dan suggested.  A few comments about my approach:
-I think this thread has covered a few different types of ripping.  This technique is geared towards taking the same amount off of one board rather than taking several different narrow boards and cutting them all to the same width.  The idea is to have most of the board supported by the table and use the cutoffs as the keeper pieces.  This requires taking into account the kerf width as described above.
-The pics show me crosscutting the board, but that's just the way I set it up for the pics.

Pic #1--the general setup.  Step one is to butt the board up against the fence. I normally wouldn't have the saw resting on the rail during this setup phase--it just put it there to illustrate one little tip.  It's useful to put a piece of wood of the same width back towards the other end of the rail to help support the rail.  If ripping a long piece this obviously wouldn't be crucial, but with shorter pieces the rail can bow and cause you to cut deeper into the top and will also make a less accurate cut in the piece.

Pic #2--to make repeated 2" cuts: set the combination square to 2" PLUS 3/32" (the kerf width).

Pic #3--make sure the top of the edge of the board (closest to fence) is 'sticking out' the correct distance from the rubber strip on the rail by butting the square against it and ensuring that the edge of the rule is right up against the rubber strip.  If off a bit I give a few gentle taps one way or the other with a rubber hammer.

Pic #4--make sure the other end of the piece is also protruding the correct amount.  This is less of an issue if the piece is square and the fence and rail are square, but for rips where you don't have as much of the piece against the fence, it is very helpful if not necessary.

Then make the cut. Lift the rail, slide the piece over, rail down, re-index with the square, adjust as needed, and repeat.  It actually works pretty well.

--Rob
 
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