Don't forget the Festool 30 day trial period, I would have thought that would have been your best option if you still want a Festool Sander, okay you would have to buy a couple of packs of discs and they are not returnable but in the 30 days you should be able to use them up whilst trialling the machine.Raptorseviltwin said:
Rotax 125, I give up, Now for sale
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I was informed my metabo verses the rotex was like apples and oranges well that may be but both do the job but with the metabo i can use one handed and just let it glide over the work.
What i said was if you had an ETS sander then it would be more like your Metabo & you could use it with 3 fingers. The RO is a very different beast.
DanielOB, how can you possibly know Raptorsvilltwin did something wrong ? Im sure some here genuinely have no problems with their RO sanders, some do but want to stay out of it & some think Festool can do no wrong & would never say a bad word about them. I love my tools but when something is not right i will tell it how it is. I used mine today to sand a door & i was just about 3/4 the way round when it started skipping around again. Its like the thing has a mind of its own.
Phil, thank you for your offer but my sander is out of warranty & i really can't be bothered sending it back again. I can live with it.
What i said was if you had an ETS sander then it would be more like your Metabo & you could use it with 3 fingers. The RO is a very different beast.
DanielOB, how can you possibly know Raptorsvilltwin did something wrong ? Im sure some here genuinely have no problems with their RO sanders, some do but want to stay out of it & some think Festool can do no wrong & would never say a bad word about them. I love my tools but when something is not right i will tell it how it is. I used mine today to sand a door & i was just about 3/4 the way round when it started skipping around again. Its like the thing has a mind of its own.
Phil, thank you for your offer but my sander is out of warranty & i really can't be bothered sending it back again. I can live with it.
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I'm having a hard time swallowing this story
couple of quotes from the OP
"I have had an op for carpel tunnel to my right hand ( the left hand will be done in another 6 weeks.) well i can not sit and do nothing so i thought i could do some one handed sanding how wrong was I"
"I also have a metabo 150mm which i can handle one handed"
" my metabo 150mm is silky smooth compared to the festool"
The OP had a silky smooth sander that he could handle one handed from another high end tool manufacture - so why the rush to buy this one and complain about it and then sell it instead of return it?
and given this last quote
" I have the router,the 75mm plunge saw and ventura and they worked straight from the box and i would never part with them."
My recommendation would be to rush out and buy the TS55 because I have both the TS75 and the TS55 and that 75 can be heavy after a while with only one hand!
couple of quotes from the OP
"I have had an op for carpel tunnel to my right hand ( the left hand will be done in another 6 weeks.) well i can not sit and do nothing so i thought i could do some one handed sanding how wrong was I"
"I also have a metabo 150mm which i can handle one handed"
" my metabo 150mm is silky smooth compared to the festool"
The OP had a silky smooth sander that he could handle one handed from another high end tool manufacture - so why the rush to buy this one and complain about it and then sell it instead of return it?
and given this last quote
" I have the router,the 75mm plunge saw and ventura and they worked straight from the box and i would never part with them."
My recommendation would be to rush out and buy the TS55 because I have both the TS75 and the TS55 and that 75 can be heavy after a while with only one hand!
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Who's complaining? bought the sander way before i had the op, don't know why i bother with forums
when its full of idiots like you. ??? What gave you the impression i rushed out to buy it, in fact i had the rep come out and we discussed all festool tools,
Woodn't it be neat if you haven't got anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.
when its full of idiots like you. ??? What gave you the impression i rushed out to buy it, in fact i had the rep come out and we discussed all festool tools,
Woodn't it be neat if you haven't got anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.
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To Woodguy 7
Thank you your the first to make a sensible and constructive comment.
I like you say it how it is this is my second post and i persevered for a month before making this post and all i get is i obviously don't know how to use a sander. I mean its a sander you put your hand or 2 if inclined and start it. Or am i missing something ?
Thank you your the first to make a sensible and constructive comment.
I like you say it how it is this is my second post and i persevered for a month before making this post and all i get is i obviously don't know how to use a sander. I mean its a sander you put your hand or 2 if inclined and start it. Or am i missing something ?
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woodguy7 said:
...well if you change your mind the offer will still be there.
Phil
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Raptorseviltwin said:
I'd like to think I made constructive comments. Certainly tried to help you as best I could.
As far as it being a sander and putting your hand or 2 on it... Well it is labeled as a coarse sander on the FestoolUSA website. Yes as also a fine sander but honestly, have you ever used anything like the RO125 before? I may be green in this whole woodworking thing (4 years) but I haven't come across such a versatile tool. I remember when I was a kid with my dad learning how to use tools, it takes time to figure out how to work them. I knew going into my RO125 purchase that there may be some learning curve and I'm a grown man now. I won't ever tell you your doing something wrong or you don't know what your doing but I will tell you my personal experience with a particular tool. It took me around 4-6 straight hours of use before I got comfortable with the RO125. Double that to where I'm at now in being able to use it in either mode at any power setting, one handed. I was actually sanding an 8' 4x4 two nights ago with a beer in one hand. That same night I realized I could use the sander at 100% suction on the CT.
Not everyone is going to be able to use a tool as well as the next person and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. Maybe it is best in your situation to try and sell it and pick up either a different RO sander or go another rout with manufacturer in this category of sander.
Either way I agree with you that if someone doesn't have anything helpful or constructive to say and just have something negative to say, don't say it. This is supposed to be a top tier forum for an elite tool manufacturer that is supposed to help people in the use of their tools or bring people together in their love for wood working. No need for negativity. Just my 2 cents.
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Ed Bray said:
It's only 15 days in the UK Ed; the 30 days is for our American friends.
https://www.festool.co.uk/Service/all-inclusive/Pages/15-day-money-back-guarantee.aspx
Thank you to those who have stepped in to calm things down somewhat. We are all here to help just like we got help when we first visited here. Rudeness, insults, name calling, etc just isn't acceptable here. We have visitors and members of all experience levels and we want it to be a comfortable place for all to exchange thoughts and experiences (good or bad), ask questions, and generally have a good time helping others.
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I would like to give an update on this topic.
I bought the RO125 from Robert and he was kind enough to include a number of 5" Mesh Style Sanding sheets. It arrived yesterday.
I was looking or a Festool Sander and I bought the RO125 to work on the seat struts and rear panels for a Garden Bench that I am making from reclaimed Iroko planls that were previously used as baffles in a flocculation tank at a water treatment works (potable) and were under water (with chemicals added) for over 20 years. They then spent about 5 years in my back garden and I have been using them for various things since.
These are the planks in their rough state.
These are what they look like after machining:
Anyway, I digress: Back to the sander:
I had planed, and cut the boards to 5x 28mm x 70mm x 1525mm (1 1/8" x 2 3/4" x 60") for the seat and 2x 28mm x 178mm x 1525mm ( 1 1/8" x 7" x 60") but they needed sanding to 180g in preparation for their robust outdoor finish.
I fixed an 80g Mesh disc to the sander put it into rotary mode, speed 6 and turned it on, God, it was like trying to hold a wild animal, it was very hard to control and I could see exactly what Robert meant. I then put it into orbital mode and whilst less wild, it was still difficult to control and would have been difficult to hold single handed for any length of time. I then turned the speed down to 4 and whilst again it was easier, it was still no cakewalk.
I was determined not to let it beat me so decided to continue to press on with the sanding regardless. After completing one edge and one side of a slat, the 80g mesh parted company with it's backing and shot across the room. I then attached another and within a few minutes this had also shot off the sander. I did persevere as I am working to a time scale but in order to give the slats and boards an initial sanding at 80g I managed to use up all but one of the 80g mesh disks. This was a much greater usage than I had envisaged and was hoping that it was more to do with the mesh disks than normal ones. I think that the mesh discs are probably much more suited to orbital sanding than the centrifugal forces applied when rotary sanding. In my frustration I called N&B and ordered 50 Rubin 2 discs of each 60g, 100g and 180g.
These arrived this morning and I went outside with the Rotex and a couple of 60g discs. Sander set to Rotary, speed 6, 60g disc fitted, extraction on, Go! Hang on a minute! Someone must have broken in overnight and swapped my crappy Rotex for another working one. Worked great, no issues, no hanging on for dear life, the orbital mode was even easier, one handed, no problem!
Due to the wood drying out a bit (I shouldn't have left them indoors overnight) there were a number of shakes and blemishes to fill. I filled all these on all slats/boards with a 2 part filler and left them to dry. I then took them out again and sanded them all smooth to 60g, this took all of one disc and part of another to do. I then filled in all the little 'holidays' and any spots that hadn't taken, and again, after they had dried, used the remainder of the second disc to sand the boards/slats smooth. I then put on a new 60g disc and switched to orbital mode and sanded all boards/slats, then switched to 100g rotary and then orbital before finishing with 180g rotary and then orbital. It is also more economical than I could have believed
I must have spent about 4-5 hours using the sander today and have fallen in love with the little beauty.
The boards are now all like the proverbial 'babies bum' and ready for their stain which will be applied tomorrow.
So, I am now the very happy and proud owner of a Festool Rotex RO125 [cool] and hopefully any issues I have going forward will not cause me to become as disillusioned with it as Robert had become.
Only time will tell! [unsure]
I bought the RO125 from Robert and he was kind enough to include a number of 5" Mesh Style Sanding sheets. It arrived yesterday.
I was looking or a Festool Sander and I bought the RO125 to work on the seat struts and rear panels for a Garden Bench that I am making from reclaimed Iroko planls that were previously used as baffles in a flocculation tank at a water treatment works (potable) and were under water (with chemicals added) for over 20 years. They then spent about 5 years in my back garden and I have been using them for various things since.
These are the planks in their rough state.
These are what they look like after machining:
Anyway, I digress: Back to the sander:
I had planed, and cut the boards to 5x 28mm x 70mm x 1525mm (1 1/8" x 2 3/4" x 60") for the seat and 2x 28mm x 178mm x 1525mm ( 1 1/8" x 7" x 60") but they needed sanding to 180g in preparation for their robust outdoor finish.
I fixed an 80g Mesh disc to the sander put it into rotary mode, speed 6 and turned it on, God, it was like trying to hold a wild animal, it was very hard to control and I could see exactly what Robert meant. I then put it into orbital mode and whilst less wild, it was still difficult to control and would have been difficult to hold single handed for any length of time. I then turned the speed down to 4 and whilst again it was easier, it was still no cakewalk.
I was determined not to let it beat me so decided to continue to press on with the sanding regardless. After completing one edge and one side of a slat, the 80g mesh parted company with it's backing and shot across the room. I then attached another and within a few minutes this had also shot off the sander. I did persevere as I am working to a time scale but in order to give the slats and boards an initial sanding at 80g I managed to use up all but one of the 80g mesh disks. This was a much greater usage than I had envisaged and was hoping that it was more to do with the mesh disks than normal ones. I think that the mesh discs are probably much more suited to orbital sanding than the centrifugal forces applied when rotary sanding. In my frustration I called N&B and ordered 50 Rubin 2 discs of each 60g, 100g and 180g.
These arrived this morning and I went outside with the Rotex and a couple of 60g discs. Sander set to Rotary, speed 6, 60g disc fitted, extraction on, Go! Hang on a minute! Someone must have broken in overnight and swapped my crappy Rotex for another working one. Worked great, no issues, no hanging on for dear life, the orbital mode was even easier, one handed, no problem!
Due to the wood drying out a bit (I shouldn't have left them indoors overnight) there were a number of shakes and blemishes to fill. I filled all these on all slats/boards with a 2 part filler and left them to dry. I then took them out again and sanded them all smooth to 60g, this took all of one disc and part of another to do. I then filled in all the little 'holidays' and any spots that hadn't taken, and again, after they had dried, used the remainder of the second disc to sand the boards/slats smooth. I then put on a new 60g disc and switched to orbital mode and sanded all boards/slats, then switched to 100g rotary and then orbital before finishing with 180g rotary and then orbital. It is also more economical than I could have believed
I must have spent about 4-5 hours using the sander today and have fallen in love with the little beauty.
The boards are now all like the proverbial 'babies bum' and ready for their stain which will be applied tomorrow.
So, I am now the very happy and proud owner of a Festool Rotex RO125 [cool] and hopefully any issues I have going forward will not cause me to become as disillusioned with it as Robert had become.
Only time will tell! [unsure]
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Firstly would like to say what a nice piece of furniture. More importantly verification of what i originally posted about.
With rotex it was like entering a wild west rodeo and sitting astride a bull. Any idea what altered the characteristics of the sander, the mesh discs normally last a lot longer than the time you have had them.I also use Mirka abranet and they last forever. Hope it serves you well Ed ;D
With rotex it was like entering a wild west rodeo and sitting astride a bull. Any idea what altered the characteristics of the sander, the mesh discs normally last a lot longer than the time you have had them.I also use Mirka abranet and they last forever. Hope it serves you well Ed ;D
Ed has solved the mystery of the rogue sander - mesh sheets not designed for the machine.
Well done Ed - lovely work on that old wood.
Peter
Well done Ed - lovely work on that old wood.
Peter
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Sigh .... a whole thread full of negativity and it turns out the odd abrasive is the culprit? Any wonder it doesn't work as advertised? [mad]
I don't get what people see in those mesh things, I always use Festool (or compatible) abrasives on any of my sanders, they're simply the best. I can see a mesh sheet eat up my expensive hook 'n loop pad really quick. No thanks.
But I must say, those planks' appearance improved dramatically. [thumbs up]
I don't get what people see in those mesh things, I always use Festool (or compatible) abrasives on any of my sanders, they're simply the best. I can see a mesh sheet eat up my expensive hook 'n loop pad really quick. No thanks.
But I must say, those planks' appearance improved dramatically. [thumbs up]
Alex said:
What a pity we did not know about that at the start - the problem would have been solved in an instant and then the OP would not have made a loss selling the tool.
Peter
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Peter Parfitt said:
Would have been nice if the OP .... mentioned it just a tiny little bit, yeah. But no, blame the tool.
If the OP had successfully used that abrasive in the past, can you blame him for not considering that it may be part of the issue?Alex said:
At least we, as a collective, have now learned that asking about the abrasive should be at the top of our diagnostic questions. [big grin]
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