Router table is not compatible with OF2200

[CDN Sapper]

Hello FOG

I was planning to buy the routers OF1400 and the OF2200 and get the table and mount the 2200 in the table as my router table but i read only the OF1010 and the OF1400 are used in it. I would have expected the largest power router for the table.

Question 1: is the 1400 powerful enough to handle large bits.

Question 2: I can not find in online manuals what is the largest diameter bit you can use on the table?

I guess i will keep my Poter cable 3-1/4 hp router in my table. I wanted to get the festool one to reduce my shop foot print i made the New Yankee workshop table.

Thank you Scott

 

[CDN Sapper]

Well i found something on bit size.

This tool is intended for router bits not to exceed 68mm
(2.7 inches). Using too large of a router bit will result in the
router bit striking the base of the tool, and may also lead to
a loss of control.

but i still would like to know if the 1400 is good to table mount from user's?

Scott

 

[jonny round boy]

Scott,

The CMS router table is compatible with the OF2200 in all other markets, but it's not 'approved' for use in North America. You could put the OF2200 in it, but obviously that would be a bad thing to do, and you really wouldn't want to do that.  [wink]

Jonathan

 

[Mag]

I use a 89 mm bit in my of2200 when it's mounted in the CMS table.

 

[Birdhunter]

I went with a "special" from Woodcraft that included the table , the top, a lift, and a PC motor. I needed a much larger table surface than the CMS, a much more precise fence than the CMS, and a much sturdier structure than the CMS.

If I have to run larger diameter bits (panels), I just use multiple passes. I've never felt the PC motor was underpowered.

Even though I built an enclosure for my table, the CMS dust collection is superior to my setup. And, I'd love to get a sliding table like the CMS.

I have all of the Festool routers. I have used the 2200 only once. It is smooth and powerful, but very heavy and very big. The 1400 and the 1010 are both delightful to use. I think the 1400 has all the power I'd ever need. The 1010 is limited in that it cannot accept 1/2" shanks.

 

[Sparktrician]

I use a 89 mm bit in my of2200 when it's mounted in the CMS table.

The biggest bit that I own and which I'm comfortable using with the OF 2200 is 3-3/8" (85.73mm), but a 3-1/2" (88.9mm) will fit by a whisker. 

 

[semenza]

Statement from Festool.

Warning: The Festool CMS System is approved for use with only the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers in the US and Canadian markets.  It is not approved for use with the OF 2200, nor with any of the CMS modules currently available outside the US and Canadian markets (TS, Jigsaw and sanding modules).  Festool USA does not  endorse the use of these components and will not support them with spare  parts or repairs. The use of anything other than the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers and their related accessories with the CMS will void the warranty agreement on the entire system for customers within the US and Canada. Festool does not endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual.

 

[CDN Sapper]

Thank you all for your in put

Scott

 

[grbmds]

Is it still true that the OF2200 is not approved for use with the CMS table in the US? Other than the governmental procedure required and the approval process, what would make it safe in Europe but in the US?

Given that many FOG posters seem to feel the OF2200 dust collection is superior and given its extra power, it seems ready made for use in a table.

Earlier I saw a post in this thread indicating that there are other tables/fences available which might be a better investment because of table size and the size router which can be accommodated as well as the accuracy of the fence. Can anyone provide some suggestions on which tables are currently in use that may be a good alternative. I currently have a table I made with a Rockler top and an Incra positioned attached to the fence/table. It actually works great, mostly, but the dust collection is not good even though I've tried various fixes for that. I'm in the market for a new router table "situation" and like the Festool table but would think that a table mounted router might need to be a bit more powerful than the 1400, plus I don't really want to dedicate the 1400 to use in the table as I like it a lot for use with the guide rail and stops on the MFT.

 

[rst]

I built my router table 30" X 48" with 1 1/4" melamine face particle board with a Bench Dog lift and a 7518 PC.  I have an Incra LS positioner and Wonder fence.  I have a Keen Dust router for under table dust collection and the fence takes care of the upper.  There are very little dust or chips escape.  Works as well as any of my Festools attached to my Fein vacs.

 

[Gary in Texas]

Earlier I saw a post in this thread indicating that there are other tables/fences available which might be a better investment because of table size and the size router which can be accommodated as well as the accuracy of the fence. Can anyone provide some suggestions on which tables are currently in use that may be a good alternative. I currently have a table I made with a Rockler top and an Incra positioned attached to the fence/table. It actually works great, mostly, but the dust collection is not good even though I've tried various fixes for that. I'm in the market for a new router table "situation" and like the Festool table but would think that a table mounted router might need to be a bit more powerful than the 1400, plus I don't really want to dedicate the 1400 to use in the table as I like it a lot for use with the guide rail and stops on the MFT.

The OF 1400 is more than capable for use in a router table.  If you were planning on using large diameter raised panel bits, then yes, a router in the 3-3/1/2" HP would be needed.
Secondly, with regards to dust collection, I have a Rockler router table and Incra router table.  Both connect to my 4" hose/dust collection system, and I don't have any issues with dust/debris, well, let's say any dust that may escape is minimal.  It does come down to the router table dust collection design and capabilities, and having a good dust collection system.

 

[grbmds]

Earlier I saw a post in this thread indicating that there are other tables/fences available which might be a better investment because of table size and the size router which can be accommodated as well as the accuracy of the fence. Can anyone provide some suggestions on which tables are currently in use that may be a good alternative. I currently have a table I made with a Rockler top and an Incra positioned attached to the fence/table. It actually works great, mostly, but the dust collection is not good even though I've tried various fixes for that. I'm in the market for a new router table "situation" and like the Festool table but would think that a table mounted router might need to be a bit more powerful than the 1400, plus I don't really want to dedicate the 1400 to use in the table as I like it a lot for use with the guide rail and stops on the MFT.

The OF 1400 is more than capable for use in a router table.  If you were planning on using large diameter raised panel bits, then yes, a router in the 3-3/1/2" HP would be needed.
Secondly, with regards to dust collection, I have a Rockler router table and Incra router table.  Both connect to my 4" hose/dust collection system, and I don't have any issues with dust/debris, well, let's say any dust that may escape is minimal.  It does come down to the router table dust collection design and capabilities, and having a good dust collection system.

Dust collection must be a little more complex. I have several options with regard to dust collection on the router table I made which uses both a port attached to the fence and a side port on the cabinet itself that allows for under table collection. I've used my Fein vac, the CT48 since getting that, and other vac over the years. I've also tried my Oneida dust collector even though I doubted that would work since suction for either the Fein or Festool vacs would likely be best for routing. None of the various combos works great although the CT48 does seem to work best.

 

[ear3]

Kreg Precision Router Table with dedicated Triton router (no router lift necessary), which I hook up to my 6.5HP Ridgid Vac.  Dust collection works fantastic.  Only drawback of the Kreg is that max width with their table inserts is a tad under 3", and I had to make additional bottom supports to correct hairline sags in the middle of each side of the plate.

I use the OF 1400 now for handheld routing.

 

[semenza]

Nothing has changed in regard to the non-approved use of the OF2200 in the CMS in the USA.

Seth

 

[PreferrablyWood]

I must say that the non certification of most of the CMS modules in the US and I suppose also Canada is such a irksome state of affairs. Here in Denmark we have pretty strict workplace rules, things just seem to work here, the harsh northern climate, high winds, etc... So thinking of the strict workplace rules, and the generally very regulated building codes, I just can't believe that there is something fundamental so flawed with the CMS modules for the TS 55,75, the Beltsander module, using the OF 2200, and th jigsaw module, so to my mind it's just economically grounded, Festool see's the cost of getting the tools UL certified, does there math and can see that it's a losing proposition...

Glad I live where I'm allowed to use the full range of Festools.. I'll likely get the CMS GE and all the available modules in the next few years..

 

[sancho57]

Well since  have a USA model CMS and OF2200 So I dont use it in my table  I cant tell you from experience, that I can do anything with the CMS router table and  the of 2200 mounted in it that I can with any other router table. I dont know that I ran huge bits in the table and the 2200 is plain awesome. I didnt just make a shaker raised panel that is 18" wide and 58 " long using a bit with a back cutter that is so large it almost was touching the green centering ring that doesnt come in the pkg, that mounts the 2200 in the table. I was able to turn the 2200 down to its lowest speed and when cutting the raised panel with the huge bit that has a back cutter in one pass and didnt tax the router at all.

The sliding table is awesome and the rear extension table helps out when routing long pieces.

 

[PreferrablyWood]

Well since  have a USA model CMS and OF2200 So I dont use it in my table  I cant tell you from experience, that I can do anything with the CMS router table and  the of 2200 mounted in it that I can with any other router table. I dont know that I ran huge bits in the table and the 2200 is plain awesome. I didnt just make a shaker raised panel that is 18" wide and 58 " long using a bit with a back cutter that is so large it almost was touching the green centering ring that doesnt come in the pkg, that mounts the 2200 in the table. I was able to turn the 2200 down to its lowest speed and when cutting the raised panel with the huge bit that has a back cutter in one pass and didnt tax the router at all.

The sliding table is awesome and the rear extension table helps out when routing long pieces.

The rear extension table is that the off feed side or the infeed? I was speculating if you could have to extension tables one on both ends to increase stability....

I've just expanded my shopping festool shopping list, it's at around 6000 euros.. whew. I better develop a business strategy...

 

[sancho57]

Yes , Its the out feed side for the CMS. They sell a side extension which comes in handy when using the CMS saw module.

 

[grbmds]

For those that don't use the OF2200 on their CMS how do you not mount it?

 

[grbmds]

Kreg Precision Router Table with dedicated Triton router (no router lift necessary), which I hook up to my 6.5HP Ridgid Vac.  Dust collection works fantastic.  Only drawback of the Kreg is that max width with their table inserts is a tad under 3", and I had to make additional bottom supports to correct hairline sags in the middle of each side of the plate.

I use the OF 1400 now for handheld routing.

Does Kreg make an under table "box" for dust collection on their table? If not, how what do you use on this table? Will other dust collection boxes work under this table? Part of my problem with this table is that it's an MDF top which my old Rockler top is. I would like to upgrade to a cast iron or phenolic top, which I don't thing Kreg makes. There was a review in a WW magazine (either WW Journal or Fine Woodworking since those are the only ones I get) that reviewed tops and did a comparison of sag.