Rumor mill says new Domino on the (far off?) horizon - what would you hope for?

[Michael Kellough]

Yes, a Domino machine proportionally scaled down to to 4mm tenons would be sweet.

 

[Cheese]

Yes, a Domino machine proportionally scaled down to to 4mm tenons would be sweet.

Ya I'm a 4 mm & 5 mm Domino guy. I use them for fitting trim around windows and doors. This recent slab joining thing is popular NOW but at some time will die out or at least diminish to a less vocal level, trends change...while trimming out doors & windows will continue to happen as long as houses are a popular option.  [smile]

 

[Mr Speaker]

Yes, a Domino machine proportionally scaled down to to 4mm tenons would be sweet.

Ya I'm a 4 mm & 5 mm Domino guy. I use them for fitting trim around windows and doors. This recent slab joining thing is popular NOW but at some time will die out or at least diminish to a less vocal level, trends change...while trimming out doors & windows will continue to happen as long as houses are a popular option.  [smile]

+1 on the DF400, but please include 6 mm, because that is my go to size when using it in combination with my CNC ;-). But disabling the wag would mean you need separate non-wagging bits because the current ones are tapered. I like the wag and probably never use it unless there is a specific space issue that can be solved by not wagging. But to be honest, my DF500 fits my needs so well that I am not in the market for a new one unless it does something spectacularly new.

 

[Svar]

Ya I'm a 4 mm & 5 mm Domino guy. I use them for fitting trim around windows and doors. This recent slab joining thing is popular NOW but at some time will die out or at least diminish to a less vocal level, trends change...while trimming out doors & windows will continue to happen as long as houses are a popular option.  [smile]

If I had to guess 99.9% of finish carpenters use nailer to fit trim because its faster and easier and holds just fine. I don't think it'll change any time soon.

 

[Cheese]

If I had to guess 99.9% of finish carpenters use nailer to fit trim because its faster and easier and holds just fine. I don't think it'll change any time soon.

Ya that's good to know...I guess I don't want to become a finish carpenter anytime soon. Thanks for the heads-up. 

 

[luvmytoolz]

Ya I'm a 4 mm & 5 mm Domino guy. I use them for fitting trim around windows and doors. This recent slab joining thing is popular NOW but at some time will die out or at least diminish to a less vocal level, trends change...while trimming out doors & windows will continue to happen as long as houses are a popular option.  [smile]

If I had to guess 99.9% of finish carpenters use nailer to fit trim because its faster and easier and holds just fine. I don't think it'll change any time soon.

I've been doing a bunch of arch's this last week and using the Domino to attach them instead of brads is just fantastic! The missus is pretty pleased too with no holes to fill. I'm thinking the Lamello Zeta would be even better for this though! ;-)

 

[ChuckM]

Brads and nails have their place in woodworking, but I avoid them if I can in furniture making. Even screws are avoided unless they make sense such as for hinges and handles.

My kitchen is a good reminder of why I should refrain using brads and nails where they'd show in a finished piece: over time, the nail holes covered by putty (stained to match the cabinets) have become visible.

 

[Ebuwan]

I probably will keep the DF500 if the DF600 doesn't do 4mm and 5mm mortises, but it must have the capability of milling 10mm mortises (100mm long or longer) and preferably 12mm mortises as well.

Yeah, here's my proposal in graphical format:

Just as with socket sets, if you need the smallest or the largest sizes you'll want those tools, but for many of us, I think my proposal covers what we're most likely to need.

Cool diagram. I'd prefer the DF600 to be the same weight as or only very slightly heavier than the DF500. If weight is an issue, I'd accept the 10mm being the largest tenon size because, when push comes to shove, I can make 12mm or larger mortises by resetting the fence height. I don't have ox-powered hands, and the XL is too heavy for my taste...at least not for the number of mortises I typically mill in a project.

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Problem with losing the 5mm domino, you lose the ability for using it with cabinet carcass alignment; the 6mm is too long. This is one space where the domino shines IMO.

 

[Ebuwan]

Ya I'm a 4 mm & 5 mm Domino guy. I use them for fitting trim around windows and doors. This recent slab joining thing is popular NOW but at some time will die out or at least diminish to a less vocal level, trends change...while trimming out doors & windows will continue to happen as long as houses are a popular option.  [smile]

If I had to guess 99.9% of finish carpenters use nailer to fit trim because its faster and easier and holds just fine. I don't think it'll change any time soon.

we are having an in-law addition put on the house right now, and i talked about the Domino to the contractor and how it's great for the trim work i've done, and showed him the results.

I go outside one morning when he had started the Azec trim around the windows, and he's standing there reading the manual for a brand new Domino 500 he just got; So i got to do a Domino lesson, and he still tacked the corners of the miter for the trim, but said thank you cuz the domino for alignment with the trim is a game changer.

I honestly dont know how much improvement could be made to justify spending another $1000+ dollars. I've also never understood the cordless like the Zeta; all that dust and garbage, and the domino requires dust collection anyway, so not seeing the advantage to cordless.

Again; i would probably still justify it, lol

 

[ChuckM]

I probably will keep the DF500 if the DF600 doesn't do 4mm and 5mm mortises, but it must have the capability of milling 10mm mortises (100mm long or longer) and preferably 12mm mortises as well.

Yeah, here's my proposal in graphical format:

Just as with socket sets, if you need the smallest or the largest sizes you'll want those tools, but for many of us, I think my proposal covers what we're most likely to need.

Cool diagram. I'd prefer the DF600 to be the same weight as or only very slightly heavier than the DF500. If weight is an issue, I'd accept the 10mm being the largest tenon size because, when push comes to shove, I can make 12mm or larger mortises by resetting the fence height. I don't have ox-powered hands, and the XL is too heavy for my taste...at least not for the number of mortises I typically mill in a project.

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Problem with losing the 5mm domino, you lose the ability for using it with cabinet carcass alignment; the 6mm is too long. This is one space where the domino shines IMO.

Yes, every time you lose a feature, you lose something. But in the case of losing the 5mm size, the 6mm can make up the loss in some way by using circular shims to reduce the cutting depth. This technique is very useful and covered in the Supplementary Manual. Of course, you need to cut the 6mm tenons to shorter lengths, such as to the length of a 5mm tenon.

 

[ChuckM]

Ya I'm a 4 mm & 5 mm Domino guy. I use them for fitting trim around windows and doors. This recent slab joining thing is popular NOW but at some time will die out or at least diminish to a less vocal level, trends change...while trimming out doors & windows will continue to happen as long as houses are a popular option.  [smile]

If I had to guess 99.9% of finish carpenters use nailer to fit trim because its faster and easier and holds just fine. I don't think it'll change any time soon.

we are having an in-law addition put on the house right now, and i talked about the Domino to the contractor and how it's great for the trim work i've done, and showed him the results.

I go outside one morning when he had started the Azec trim around the windows, and he's standing there reading the manual for a brand new Domino 500 he just got; So i got to do a Domino lesson, and he still tacked the corners of the miter for the trim, but said thank you cuz the domino for alignment with the trim is a game changer.

I honestly dont know how much improvement could be made to justify spending another $1000+ dollars. I've also never understood the cordless like the Zeta; all that dust and garbage, and the domino requires dust collection anyway, so not seeing the advantage to cordless.

Again; i would probably still justify it, lol

I think I can make an educated guess here (based on my own circumstances): Your contractor is someone who constantly looks for ways to improve his efficiency, and he is open to learning and using new tools. Most importantly,  he can justify his purchases of new or innovative equipment because they're tax deductibles.

Here, we often see luxury cars (Mercedes Benz, Lexus, etc.) used as small business owner cars for similar tax benefit reasons.

 

[smorgasbord]

My kitchen is a good reminder of why I should refrain using brads and nails where they'd show in a finished piece: over time, the nail holes covered by putty (stained to match the cabinets) have become visible.

I learned a while ago to use wax sticks to fill nail holes AFTER the piece has been finished. That way, you choose/mix the wax to match the final finished color/tone. However, if the project gets significant sunlight, it can fade/darken over time at a different rate than the wax. Staining wood putty is frustrating and doesn't look right, at least the ways I used to try.

 

[ChuckM]

I learned a while ago to use wax sticks to fill nail holes AFTER the piece has been finished. That way, you choose/mix the wax to match the final finished color/tone. However, if the project gets significant sunlight, it can fade/darken over time at a different rate than the wax. Staining wood putty is frustrating and doesn't look right, at least the ways I used to try.

Yes, my kitchen faces direct sunlight, and so after a decade or so, the putty holes on the trims became a tiny eyesore. The cabinetmaker did a great job, I must say, as I didn't see any nail holes when we were shown the finished work. But then at that time, I wasn't a woodworker either.