Ryan's SYS-Stacker Router Bit Storage Insert for T-LOC Systainers

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Introducing Ryan’s SYS-Stacker Inserts: Router Bit Storage
Now a "Digital" Project

Production Update: Many of you have been following the evolution of this project -- thanks for the interest! After attempting to perform the CNC work myself (140+ decks), I quickly realized that I had "bit off a little more than I could chew." So, I've switched gears and instead have made the Fusion 360 CAD/CAM files available for purchase. With access to these files, you can go to any good, local CNC shop and have them cut your kit in anywhere from 20 minutes (for a basic SYS1 kit) to approximately 100 minutes (for a SYS4 kit). I've also included assembly instructions in a standalone PDF. If you're interested in the design files, I'm asking $40 USD for those who didn't put in an original pre-order; for those who were generous enough to put in a pre-order, I'm asking for $25 USD. Just PM me if you'd like to purchase.

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Here, a SYS3 kit is depicted. This new design uses two 9mm platforms for the top and bottom, light but very strong.

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This new design retains the stepped hole functionality, so you can place 1/2" or 1/4" shank bits. New dogbone design helps to self-center the platforms for assembly.

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Decks retain stackability, with a simpler design that uses only two risers (plus the handle).

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Here's an example of the nested Fusion 360 file for the SYS4 kit, which is cut from a single 53x27" sheet. All toolpaths have been fully defined -- just bring your 1/4" down-cut spiral bit!

So, what makes these inserts so cool?
  • Mix and match to fit your specific T-LOC Systainer, from SYS1 to SYS4: two deck configurations, and three different “riser kits.” (For optimal configurations to fit your Systainer, see bottom of post.)
  • A dual-shank hole design means you can insert your 1/2" and 1/4" router bits into the same hole!
  • Each deck is stackable, making it easy to quickly access your bits, no matter how far down you put them.
  • Each deck is made from two layers of 9mm thick Baltic birch plywood, offering plenty of rigidity while also saving on weight.
  • Incredible capacity: closed decks hold more than 127 bits, and open decks hold 68 bits--limited only by the cutting diameter of your bits.
  • Cut with CNC precision, so every piece fits perfectly.

Let's discuss the decks: open or closed?

A closed deck is best for maximizing the router bit capacity, is ideal for smaller Systainers (SYS 1 and SYS2), and also works well as a lower or bottom deck on larger Systainers (SYS3 and up). The open deck serves as a perfect top-level for larger Systainers, and with this open design, you can store particularly tall bits in this area without having to worry about headroom.

What kit is best for my particular Systainer? See below for my recommended kit, guaranteed to fit. (Note that I have not tested fitment on Systainer Classics; just the T-LOCs.)

The below renderings depict my previous design that utilized 30mm thick baltic birch -- the new design is functionally equivalent (save for slightly less holes), and a lot lighter.

SYS 1 T-LOC Systainer – Recommended Configuration
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Closed deck, small handle, plugs instead of risers. This configuration will accommodate router bits ranging from 70 to 80 mm in total length.

SYS 2 T-LOC Systainer – Recommended Configuration
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Closed deck, large handle, plugs instead of risers. This configuration will accommodate router bits ranging from 120 to 130 mm in total length. If you’ve got a router bit longer than that, I’d love to see it.

SYS 3 T-LOC Systainer – Recommended Configuration
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The preferred Systainer for this insert. One closed deck with medium handle and risers, one open deck with small handle and plugs instead of risers. This configuration will accommodate router bits ranging from 68 to 96 mm in total length, and the “open area” will accommodate bits larger than that.

SYS 4 T-LOC Systainer – Recommended Configuration
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Two closed decks with medium handle and risers, one open deck with small handle and plugs instead of risers. This configuration will accommodate router bits up to 96 mm long under the covered portions, and any bits longer than that can be stored in the open area.

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You know I'm in! Set aside an appropriate systainer as well! These look great!![emoji106][emoji2]
 
Hi,

Great design!
Two questions:
1) Shipping to France will be possible ?
2) Can you made these inserts for european 8 and 12mm shank ?

David.
 
pritty sweet.
not sure i would need that many bits on site  but im all for organisation.

would some kind of plastic like hdpe be better than ply. im thinking about moisture rusting the shanks. is making the holes tight
 
I don't know how long this thread will last here (it could be considered a competing project and using this forum for advertisement and sales might be an issue (not to be decided by me) but additionally I would offer caution on using the FOG logo on your products for sale without the prior permission of Festool USA. 

Peter
 
Nice idea for portable bit storage. 
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Stoli said:
Can't tell if you're serious about the patent pending on the dual hole idea, but [member=191]Rick Christopherson[/member] has you beat on the prior art in this thread: http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/router-bit-storage-cabinet/msg339189/#msg339189

Yup. Built the first one probably around 20 years ago after noting the limitations of the one I built before that for my father's shop before he/we began hording more router bits. Proposed it to the Woodworker's Journal over 15 years ago, and finally made the final iteration when I did the FOG writeup.
 
Very cool!

Please send me the PayPal details. Interested in the SYS2 option.

Also, separate questions:

1. Where do you get 25mm plywood? Or do you make it yourself from thinner sheets?
2. What kind of CNC machine do you use?

Thanks!
 
Thanks for all of the comments and PMs. If you've either messaged me or expressed interest in this thread, I have sent you a PM to confirm you're on the pre-order list, and will follow up with additional details as I get closer to CNC time.

Also, Eric Brandt brought up a great question about Systainer Classic compatibility. I'm willing to undertake the design changes necessary to make the inserts backward compatible with Systainer Classics (if it can be done with minimal reengineering), but I don't actually own one. If anyone is local to the Seattle area and has a Classic they can part with for a couple weeks, please let me know.
 
Hey Ryan- I've got a classic at the jobsite that I'm just using for storing glue and epoxy. If you want to swing by anytime this week or weekend you can grab it. Text me first. Cheers!
 
I am interested in a sys 2 or sys 3. I also agree with the use of a synthetic material if possible. I love all the thought and effort that went into this. I did not read all the threads regarding this but wondered if a small tray/well area would be useful to store bearings and hex keys and other little things we end up needing with our routers and bits.
 
[member=51886]ryanjg117[/member]

I'm in for a Sys 3 setup. What are the chances of you changing some of the 1/4" holes to accommodate 8mm bits? I guess that it wouldn't be too hard for me to drill the holes out for my 8mm bits.

Thanks,

Daniel
 
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