Shaper Origin the first handheld Cnc machine

[Michael Kellough]

An example of how CNC is used in my industry

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I'd like to know more about this.

What is your industry GhostFist?

 

[GhostFist]

Film

 

[zapdafish]

I'm learning sketchup cuz it's free for the same reason. I asked how to access ShaperHub and its pretty lame that it wont be available until close to release. As someone who has never worked with CNC I want at least a basic example of what an actual template is like.

I do everything in QuickCAD 8, but started to learn Fusion 360 this weekend because that is the software that Shaper uses.  [cool]

 

[rst]

The nicest thing for me about Shaper is that it will scan and load existing patterns and although full sized CNCs have this capabiltiy also, they cost a whole lot more than $1500.00.

 

[Mike B]

I can definitely see promise, though the seemingly close Festool partnership has me worried that it may turn green one day and add another zero to the price.  [smile]
I'm more than happy to sit on the fence with this one though. First generations of any CNC device are always left in the dust pretty quickly. Whatever I end up with with definitely be a version 2 or 3...
My heartfelt thanks and respect for all the early adopters out there troubleshooting my future hand-held CNC device.  [wink]

 

[piethout]

Just got one on pre order today.  Will be great for template cutting and then take the real 2" walnut piece to a bigger router table with the template taped on.  Great for custom work in a solid work furniture shop I think!  This seems to be the future and a pretty good approach.  My feeling is, I can wait 4 years for it to mature or just start using it today (aka a year from now) and speed up a bunch of workflows! 

Also!  If anyone gets one - use this link and you'll get an extra $100 off after you checkout!
https://preorder.shapertools.com/ref/3HN2HQ5FT

They have a great referral program, both the referrer and the referee get 100 bucks off and you can keep referring until your tool is free!  Im sure we can get some free tools with everyone in these forums!  Hop on, see you in the future!

 

[Kev]

With a better alternative for guidance than the calibrated tape, this sort of thing could evolve into some clever 3D robotic sculpting over time. I would have thought coded clamp on rails with laser readers or someting could be a future path.

 

[ali]

If I had the chance to buy one today (I'm in the UK) I would certainly do so and give it a shot.

It is still an entry level router but opens up new markets for newbies. Whilst I congratulate the guys behind it for getting this far, I hope they don't leave it too long before it finally starts shipping. What is the hold up?

Also, what part did festool play in this? Is the generic router anything to do with them?

 

[peter halle]

...Also, what part did festool play in this? Is the generic router anything to do with them?

I asked Christian O. from Festool the same questions.  Festool is very interested in the concept whereas it continues their philosophy of bringing the tool to the work.  They have offered technical assistance if needed, but that is all.  They are not investors nor have they supplied anything used in the manufacturing.

Peter

 

[teocaf]

Also, what part did festool play in this? Is the generic router anything to do with them?

That would have been a great question to ask the festool execs at connect.  Not that you would have gotten an answer, mind you.
I was at the shaper booth there and someone asked the demonstrator where it was being made.  Just by the way he hesitated and stammered a bit before saying something vague like they're looking for production facilities, made me think that he did not want to reveal something he knew.  PURE speculation on my part. I can't help but think that the design of the thing would not look out of place in the Festool lineup (the Conturo comes to mind).  Also Festo which is a separate company (but perhaps still linked in some ways?) is pioneering all kinds of automation projects, some of which have shown up on here.  Again, pure speculation if any of this is related.  Just wondering why Festool would invite somebody else to their new tool rollout and take attention from their own brand...

It's obvious that a lot of the new makers and diy-ers are combining a renewed love for hand tools with all the new stuff.  The other day I saw that even Powermatic was getting into the cnc game.

I'm not going to prepay for the shaper that far ahead, but I am looking at this Handibot:


(as a funny aside, I kept rewatching the first few seconds of the video where he's introducing himself while trying to follow his printed name below the video and I just could not connect how he says his last name to the way it's written--maybe even he can't pronounce his own name!)

 

[peter halle]

[member=2205]teocaf[/member]

Christian was the executive I asked at the Connect Event.  I suspect that our posts might have crossed in typing.

Peter

 

[Cochese]

I dismissed this at first, but I'm really interested. But not at the way it is being funded. I'm not someone who has that sort of cash to blow at once, and I don't want it sitting on a card for a couple months.

Guess I will have to pass.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I wrote Shaper to ask about the spindle a few weeks ago;

"Regarding the spindle, we are sourcing a high-quality router, but have not announced the vendor. "

 

[teocaf]

[member=2205]teocaf[/member]

Christian was the executive I asked at the Connect Event.  I suspect that our posts might have crossed in typing.

Peter

[member=1674]Peter Halle[/member]
Yeah, it said someone else had posted on the thread but I did not pause to read your entry before hitting Post.  If you could not get any more details out of them about this Shaper thing, then I certainly would not have been able to do it.
Btw, it was good to meet you at Connect on our way out.  My kids really like the goodies they got, especially the mini systainers and hats.  Sorry I could not meet all the Fogsters at the mexican restaurant that evening.  My kids were such good troopers getting up before 6am so we could get on the road that I decided to stop at Millenium Park in Chicago on the way back so they could have their own fun for a few hours before getting back to Wisconsin.

 

[jimbo51]

This tool would be great for cutting custom inserts for Systainers out of various types of foam. It would even be capable of cutting an insert for a Maxi-tainer which would otherwise require a rather large CNC machine. With the proper software, you could lay tools on top of the foam, take a few pictures for 3D modeling and have the router cut out the foam for a nice tight fit for any tool.

If you have 50 custom insets to make and figured that they were worth $50 each, then this would pay for itself just on that project!!!

 

[Gregor]

I would buy such a device when it is available ready to ship, performs as advertised in unbiased reviews, has a warranty policy and repair guarantees that isn't a joke (I'm from Germany, 1 year warranty is a joke) - but I won't preorder potential vaporware a year in advance (way after I can revert a CC payment for fraud).

About running costs:

Can I print my own ShaperTape?
No. The dimensional accuracy of the fiducial marker is critical to Origin's performance. ShaperTape is printed using specialized production equipment designed to ensure extremely high dimensional accuracy. This level of accuracy cannot be replicated on a standard printer.

Which is blantantly false, given how printers operate these days.

How long is a roll of ShaperTape?
Each roll is 150ft in length. This is enough to cover approximately one and a half standard 4' x 8' sheets of plywood.

Boils down to: they bigger your workpiece, the more expensive it gets to work on it.

How much will ShaperTape cost?
Our intention is to provide ShaperTape at near-cost. Based on current production costs, we anticipate being able to offer ShaperTape directly to consumers for between $10 and $15 per 150-foot roll.

Given the prices I have access to their anticipation (using the lower mark) isn't anywhere near-cost but has at least 300% markup inside it (and that is when you make low volume orders, through a middleman, like

 

[Brice Burrell]

How much will ShaperTape cost?
Our intention is to provide ShaperTape at near-cost. Based on current production costs, we anticipate being able to offer ShaperTape directly to consumers for between $10 and $15 per 150-foot roll.

Given the prices I have access to their anticipation (using the lower mark) isn't anywhere near-cost but has at least 300% markup inside it (and that is when you make low volume orders, through a middleman, like

 

[Svar]

Given the prices I have access to their anticipation (using the lower mark) isn't anywhere near-cost but has at least 300% markup inside it (and that is when you make low volume orders, through a middleman, like

 

[Cheese]

I believe it is a high fidelity print of a 150 foot long non-repeating pattern.  I'd guess that isn't going to be cheap to produce. 

That's interesting...if 150' will be needed for 1 1/2 sheets of ply, then that would also be the largest surface to work at one time, or the non-repeating pattern would have to have to be run for longer than 150' increments.

 

[Svar]

That's interesting...if 150' will be needed for 1 1/2 sheets of ply, then that would also be the largest surface to work at one time, or the non-repeating pattern would have to have to be run for longer than 150' increments.

They've got 18 dots (positions) per black rectangle. That's 2^18 = 262144 unique combinations. Good for some 10 miles of tape.