should "how to photograph your work" have its complete dedicated section?

[Matthew Schenker]

nickao,
Sorry about that.  I created your album, but the upload permissions were turned off!
I fixed that, and now you can upload photos easily to your album as described above.
Matthew

 

[johne]

Yes I did that and then it says error,  pick an album either before upload if using the java upload or it lets me upload on the old upload page but then gives the pick an album area. Some pm'd me and said they had a similar problem until Mathew did something.

Nickao

Come to think of it I actually haven't tried to upload to mine yet. I put a few pics in the temp album and Matthew moved them.

Nick, i uploaded a file to your album but i could only get it to work using the "upload file (using Java)" button

I think I will use the temporary. Once he moves them will it work okay?

Please anyone, if you can, post a pic to my album for me, of what ever you want. After that I think it will be okay.

Nickao

 

[johne]

Yes I did that and then it says error,  pick an album either before upload if using the java upload or it lets me upload on the old upload page but then gives the pick an album area. Some pm'd me and said they had a similar problem until Mathew did something.

Nickao

Come to think of it I actually haven't tried to upload to mine yet. I put a few pics in the temp album and Matthew moved them.

Nick, i uploaded a file to your album but i could only get it to work using the "upload file (using Java)" button

I think I will use the temporary. Once he moves them will it work okay?

Please anyone, if you can, post a pic to my album for me, of what ever you want. After that I think it will be okay.

Nickao

OOps messed up previous post

I uploaded to your album but it only worked with the "upload file using Java option"

 

[johne]

Sorry Dan Clark stole your pic for testing purposes

 

[Michael Kellough]

.....full frame sensor is going to make it more difficult to get the depth of field you need, unless you have a really wide angle lens. On the other hand the full frame sensor means there is no sensor crop factor so you have lots of old manual focus lenses to choose from. With a smaller sensor camera like the 4/3 Olympus and Panasonic/Leica you have more depth of field at any given aperture but the effective angle of view is half what the lens would cover on a full frame sensor. There are trade offs with everything.

On a full frame dslr using for example a 16mm lens you will have more coverage of the location as with the same lens on a camera with an APS size sensor while still having the same depth of field. (16mm on an APS size camera=roughly 25mm,in other words narrower angle of view)  Depth of field is a property of the lens with a given apperture. The difference between full frame and smaller sensors is just a cropped image. There is no difference in depth of field if both cameras use the same lens and the same aperture.

Thanks for the correction Johne.

If the smaller sensor camera has a lens of equal angle of coverage, then it would have more depth of field at the same aperture? For example, 4/3 sensor with 12mm lens compared to full frame with 24mm?

 

[johne]

.....full frame sensor is going to make it more difficult to get the depth of field you need, unless you have a really wide angle lens. On the other hand the full frame sensor means there is no sensor crop factor so you have lots of old manual focus lenses to choose from. With a smaller sensor camera like the 4/3 Olympus and Panasonic/Leica you have more depth of field at any given aperture but the effective angle of view is half what the lens would cover on a full frame sensor. There are trade offs with everything.

On a full frame dslr using for example a 16mm lens you will have more coverage of the location as with the same lens on a camera with an APS size sensor while still having the same depth of field. (16mm on an APS size camera=roughly 25mm,in other words narrower angle of view)  Depth of field is a property of the lens with a given apperture. The difference between full frame and smaller sensors is just a cropped image. There is no difference in depth of field if both cameras use the same lens and the same aperture.

Thanks for the correction Johne.

If the smaller sensor camera has a lens of equal angle of coverage, then it would have more depth of field at the same aperture? For example, 4/3 sensor with 12mm lens compared to full frame with 24mm?

Yes in that case i believe it would but at the wide angle spectrum the depth of field is mostly huge an interesting site ishttp://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
I like full frame camera's because you do not need to buy specific wide angle lenses targeted at APS sensor cameras. These lenses while working great on these cameras cant be used on the full frame ones. And i believe there are some tradeoffs in sharpeness and things like chromatic aberation etc in these ultra wide angles for APS size sensor cameras.

 

[nickao]

Thanks guys I have uploaded two pics thanks to everyones help.

I am going to upload pics of every new Festool I have not used yet so they will be seen as they are purchased new out of the box.
It may take a while, I'll try a few per day.

Nickao

 

[johne]

.....full frame sensor is going to make it more difficult to get the depth of field you need, unless you have a really wide angle lens. On the other hand the full frame sensor means there is no sensor crop factor so you have lots of old manual focus lenses to choose from. With a smaller sensor camera like the 4/3 Olympus and Panasonic/Leica you have more depth of field at any given aperture but the effective angle of view is half what the lens would cover on a full frame sensor. There are trade offs with everything.

On a full frame dslr using for example a 16mm lens you will have more coverage of the location as with the same lens on a camera with an APS size sensor while still having the same depth of field. (16mm on an APS size camera=roughly 25mm,in other words narrower angle of view)  Depth of field is a property of the lens with a given apperture. The difference between full frame and smaller sensors is just a cropped image. There is no difference in depth of field if both cameras use the same lens and the same aperture.

Thanks for the correction Johne.

If the smaller sensor camera has a lens of equal angle of coverage, then it would have more depth of field at the same aperture? For example, 4/3 sensor with 12mm lens compared to full frame with 24mm?

Yes in that case i believe it would but at the wide angle spectrum the depth of field is mostly huge an interesting site ishttp://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
I like full frame camera's because you do not need to buy specific wide angle lenses targeted at APS sensor cameras. These lenses while working great on these cameras cant be used on the full frame ones. And i believe there are some tradeoffs in sharpeness and things like chromatic aberation etc in these ultra wide angles for APS size sensor cameras.

Michael, BTW if you would move back with your APS size sensor camera to get the subject in the frame the same way as with your full frame sensor camera, then you would have more depth of field. If you are using the same lens on both camera's

 

[Dave Ronyak]

In response to Nick's what should I buy question:

We really need a Product Photography board on the forum, so that we can run separate threads on photo stuff, including the inevitable "Canon vs. Nikon:  I've never used your camera, but I'm sure mine is better" thread.  :

Ned

P.S.  Nick, it's possible that a good digicam can do what you want, at least for starters.  In fact, a thread entitled "Do I even need a DSLR?" would be a good one.

True,  but the techniques that make for great photos are not much dependent on the brand of camera.  Most all of them can do a good job.  I recall Dan Clark teasing me with some photos he took with the camera in his cell phone.

I have yet to post a single photo on FOG and instead have struggled attempting to describe using only words some of my ideas for jigs and methods of work.  I'd love to have a section on FOG to refer to for help in taking digital photos and reworking them prior to posting.

Dave R.

 

[tvgordon]

Can anyone recommend any digital photography forums?  I looked at a few that came up on a google search, but I didn't find them very helpful or all that interesting. 

Thanks,
Tom.

 

[nickao]

Can anyone recommend any digital photography forums?  I looked at a few that came up on a google search, but I didn't find them very helpful or all that interesting. 

Thanks,
Tom.

Thats one of the reasons I want to have a discussion here for pictures. Anything that gets to technical for this forum then can be passed to a different forum or link that someone here knows and recommends. Thanks for the links you guys have already given out in this and other threads dealing with photography.

I would like to see this forum be able to: "provide a beginner craftsman with all the information they may need to take respectable pictures of their projects". Made with Festools of course!

It is so much nicer for me(hopefully you too) if I could  deal with the same people in the this forum. Some  people in this forum may have an innate feel for the woodworking we are taking a picture of. That has to give them an edge in my mind as to giving advise on taking pictures of woodworking items, remodeling or any building project.

Nickao

 

[Michael Kellough]

Michael, BTW if you would move back with your APS size sensor camera to get the subject in the frame the same way as with your full frame sensor camera, then you would have more depth of field. If you are using the same lens on both camera's

Okay, but if you've already backed yourself into a corner trying to shoot some kitchen cabinets... then what? 

 

[Dan Clark]

Thanks guys I have uploaded two pics thanks to everyones help.

I am going to upload pics of every new Festool I have not used yet so they will be seen as they are purchased new out of the box.
It may take a while, I'll try a few per day.

Nickao

Nick,

What's nice about the gallery is that you can easily use your pics over and over in posts.  The code looks like this:

[IMG]http://www.festoolownersgroup.com/CoppermineMain/albums/userpics/RS_2_E.jpg[/IMG]

And the image shows up like this:

Regards,

Dan.

p.s for your pics, you now have the Oh ficial seal of approval:

 

[nickao]

Thanks for the tip and the thumbs up! I'll try to get less glare on the next set of pics.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Michael, BTW if you would move back with your APS size sensor camera to get the subject in the frame the same way as with your full frame sensor camera, then you would have more depth of field. If you are using the same lens on both camera's

Okay, but if you've already backed yourself into a corner trying to shoot some kitchen cabinets... then what? 

I was looking for pictures to upload to my now fully functional album and discovered I don't really have many picutes of woodworking projects. I'm too slow and when it's done it's past time to be delivered so I seldom get photos. But I did find an example of the kind of DOF I get with my tiny camera that I can't get with my 4/3 sensor camera.

This is also a test of this suggestion,
"A third way is to upload pics to the FOG Gallery and then just reference them with the "IMG" button."

 

[Ned]

This is a test of posting other people's pics from the Gallery.

This is the URL displayed in the gallery underneath the pic I want:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/CoppermineMain//displayimage.php?pos=-1334

That won't work.

I got this URL by right-clicking on the pic in the gallery and choosing Properties, then copying the URL displayed there.

http://www.festoolownersgroup.com/CoppermineMain/albums/userpics/normal_Broadway.jpg

And the result:

 

[Dan Clark]

Ned,

Hi.  Do NOT use the URL info below the pic.  I haven't a clue what that is for. 

If you are using FF2, I found a great way of getting the image address.  In the Gallery, click on the image until you get the largest image.  Then right-click in that window and select "Copy Image Location".  Then paste in you post as normal.  Works great and faster.

Regards,

Dan.

 

[Ned]

Do NOT use the URL info below the pic.  I haven't a clue what that is for. 

I guess I don't either.  Seemed obvious that it was the one to use, but no no no.

That thing is just a pothole waiting for the next guy to fall into.  We need to correct it or get rid of it.

Ned

 

[Michael Kellough]

Do NOT use the URL info below the pic.   I haven't a clue what that is for.   

I guess I don't either.  Seemed obvious that it was the one to use, but no no no.

That thing is just a pothole waiting for the next guy to fall into.  We need to correct it or get rid of it.

Ned

Well, at least now I know I'm not supposed to be IN this pothole  :-[

 

[Michael Kellough]

This is a test of posting other people's pics from the Gallery.

This is the URL displayed in the gallery underneath the pic I want:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/CoppermineMain//displayimage.php?pos=-1334

That won't work.

I got this URL by right-clicking on the pic in the gallery and choosing Properties, then copying the URL displayed there.

http://www.festoolownersgroup.com/CoppermineMain/albums/userpics/normal_Broadway.jpg

And the result:

Attempting a workaround by pasting in the url Ned provided and changing the file name

Okay, this works even in preview, so now I understand preview a little better too.

Another attempt by Control clicking (Mac) on the image to copy image address

Okay, thanks Ned and Dan