Someone please explain this to me
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I googled his name and he is an "artist" with a website,http://www.gampermartino.com
I don't get his art and certainly wouldn't want to look at it in my house. But, to each their own.
I don't get his art and certainly wouldn't want to look at it in my house. But, to each their own.
brandon.nickel
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Man, that just cost me 5 minutes of my life. I kept hoping that what he was working on would become apparent. It wasn't.
He is an artist so craft isn't really a factor in whether its "good" or "bad".
Art... in my view is neither good OR bad... it just is.
Craft: though does have "rules" and "guidelines" for quality. Quality in craft CAN be measured, CAN be quantified, CAN be judged and ultimately CAN have a value attached to it.
Maybe the confusion here is that this dude is using Festools and therefore we expect some level of CRAFT to be generated. For most of us in FOG, all we see is a guy scrounging materials and screwing them together which any of us could do with our c12 let alone Ryobi, or Black and Decker or ....
I love stuff like this as its refreshing to me and maybe because I luckily don't have to put food on the table, gas in the truck or kids through college with my craft... or more likely crap. Again, this is ART not CRAFT and just because this guy has the income to buy Festool doesn't make him a master craftsman.
Seeing that he is a student at the Royal College of Art in London though does give me the impression that he is receiving a quality education with possibly "mum" or "dad" paying the way for him to make a "statement". Notice I didn't use the word "furniture" though he might us that word as well. I would also give him some slack for just being a young student at RCA. As we all were at one time.
A very wise design professor wrote on the "chalkboard" on the first day of class. "Design is not Art"... and it liberated me from thinking that somehow, somewhere some muse would appear to show me how to create some beautiful piece of graphic design. What a bunch of shit. Design is Craft and Craft is something that is learned. Just like learning how to hand cut dovetails you have to do it just like any other skill of learning a trade or craft. I am a total amateur but what I bring to limited set of skills I have WITH my Festools is my background in design.
Sorry... I don't mean to sound academic or condescending or presumptuous. I am humbled by seeing the simplest of skills done by someone that has worked the trade for years. More importantly, it puts me in my academic place by being told, "You think too hard about what you are trying to do" rather than "Just doing it".
This guy is an artist and not a furniture maker. Just because he uses Festool doesn't put him in the same class as you other guys that can do it with one eye closed... well maybe "both" eyes closed if you are using Festool
Art... in my view is neither good OR bad... it just is.
Craft: though does have "rules" and "guidelines" for quality. Quality in craft CAN be measured, CAN be quantified, CAN be judged and ultimately CAN have a value attached to it.
Maybe the confusion here is that this dude is using Festools and therefore we expect some level of CRAFT to be generated. For most of us in FOG, all we see is a guy scrounging materials and screwing them together which any of us could do with our c12 let alone Ryobi, or Black and Decker or ....
I love stuff like this as its refreshing to me and maybe because I luckily don't have to put food on the table, gas in the truck or kids through college with my craft... or more likely crap. Again, this is ART not CRAFT and just because this guy has the income to buy Festool doesn't make him a master craftsman.
Seeing that he is a student at the Royal College of Art in London though does give me the impression that he is receiving a quality education with possibly "mum" or "dad" paying the way for him to make a "statement". Notice I didn't use the word "furniture" though he might us that word as well. I would also give him some slack for just being a young student at RCA. As we all were at one time.
A very wise design professor wrote on the "chalkboard" on the first day of class. "Design is not Art"... and it liberated me from thinking that somehow, somewhere some muse would appear to show me how to create some beautiful piece of graphic design. What a bunch of shit. Design is Craft and Craft is something that is learned. Just like learning how to hand cut dovetails you have to do it just like any other skill of learning a trade or craft. I am a total amateur but what I bring to limited set of skills I have WITH my Festools is my background in design.
Sorry... I don't mean to sound academic or condescending or presumptuous. I am humbled by seeing the simplest of skills done by someone that has worked the trade for years. More importantly, it puts me in my academic place by being told, "You think too hard about what you are trying to do" rather than "Just doing it".
This guy is an artist and not a furniture maker. Just because he uses Festool doesn't put him in the same class as you other guys that can do it with one eye closed... well maybe "both" eyes closed if you are using Festool
I'm thinking, just being in that close proximity to the tools he should be automatically be able to build something simple easily.
He won't?
Guess there's no hope for rest of us Dunderklumpen then.
(word "Dunderklumpen" appears courtesy of copyright 2007 Rob McGilp)
He won't?
Guess there's no hope for rest of us Dunderklumpen then.
(word "Dunderklumpen" appears courtesy of copyright 2007 Rob McGilp)
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After watching Gio's entire video, I mostly feel that I wasted that many minutes of my life. But I note that it provoked discussion here, and that is often the type of reaction that artists hope for. I am not at all an artist, it was my worst subject in high school. My wife and both of my children are artists at heart. My wife and son are visual artists - painting, drawing and such, and my daughter is a musician and married to another. So I am vastly outgunned in my family: they don't understand me and I don't understand them! Seeing Gio's video also made me recall my first reaction to Andy Warhol's work - I thought it was ridiculous when I was 25. Who would have thought painting large and plural reproductions of Campbell's Soup can labels could win world-wide attention and acclaim? I certainly did not when those first came out. Similarly with Claus Oldenberg's giant sized scultpures of a Rubber Stamp "Free" [Cleveland, OH] and other common objects such as a paper clip and a wood screw [Chicago?]. Despite my intially ridiculing those art works, they succeeded in creating a lasting impression in my non-artistic mind. But for myself, my engineering background and proclivity causes me to start with intended function (hold books, eat from, sit on, etc), then to try to design something structurally sound that fulfill's that function that I may be able to build, and then to add a little artistic flair or ornamentation, and then to apply the little craftsmanship skills that I have to make it a reality to be used and enjoyed.
Dave R.
Dave R.
All explained here:http://www.dezeen.com/2007/08/03/if-only-gio-knew-by-martino-gamper/
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Good find, dkorn! I wonder if Gio can/will file a claim for violation of his artist's moral rights. That and contract provisions were the basis of Oldenberg's suit against BP America/Cleveland which was settled by relocation of the "Free" Stamp sculpture from its prominent location on Cleveland's Public Square at the heart of downtown to the lawn of one of the City of Cleveland government buildings (and maybe some cash). I think the essence of such moral rights (which have nothing to do with the common definition of "moral" used by many USA residents) is that an artist has a right to control how his/her work of art is displayed, etc.
Dave R.
Dave R.
My apologies to those whose minutes were wasted. (Have you ever added up the time you spend sitting at red lights in one week and multiplied it by the number of weeks in your [expected] adult life?) But this has been an interesting thread.
Thanks to dkorn for finding what at least passes for an explanation.
Thanks to dkorn for finding what at least passes for an explanation.
Dave Ronyak
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No apology needed. It was fun, and I volunarily took more time to write my comments than I spent watching the video.
Dave R.
Dave R.
I kept hoping that this was some sort of design competition where they gave the guy one sheet of melamine-covered plywood, and asked him to create as many interesting pieces of furniture as he could out of it. I could imagine IKEA doing that - they have some great designs within strong constraints of initial materials, joinery, and packing. Frankly, I think a competition like that would be pretty fun. I'd love to see what people came up with.
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poto said:
We did something similar when I was at college - to design & make a piece of furniture using a VERY small cutlist (a few off-cuts of ply & a little bit of softwood). I came up with a tall, thin hall table:
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Which is slightly similar to one of the designs this guy made:
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Though I designed mine 6 years ago!
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All those cuts of particle core board and NO CHIPOUT...wow, great saw system.
