Soundproofing my workshop.

I would go over to the neighbor and tell him that you do woodworking. I would ask him if he does. If he says yes, I would do minimal soundproofing. If he says no, I would ask if he has interest to do so and offer him some free lessons. Let him hear how things are in the shop versus outside it.

I realize your current/old neighbor is an a-hole but not every neighbor is.

A little hospitality may go a long way and save you a ton of money.
 
I'm definitely not an expert in this field, but do have some experience with it, being in the audio/video field as well.  Back in the day [bout a decade ago], we actually built the very first THX-certified residential screening room in the country.  First resi theatre room with an official THX plague and certified by THX engineers.  Worked on a slew of rooms requiring isolation.  I've personally worked with and installed various materials choices out there: greenglue, quietrock, vinyl loaded barriers, staggered stud walls, isolation clips on resilient channeling, floating walls, complete rooms within a room, etc.  The one common denominator:  isolation done well is not cheap, and your investment can be easily screwed up by improper install of an otherwise good solution/product.

Like others have mentioned, first determine what level of noise you'd like to eliminate.  And also try to think of a budget you'd like to set up for this [trust me, it can get expensive quick].  There are vendors and consultants out there ,as well, who could help, too.  Unless you're independently wealthy, most people do as much isolation as they can within their budget.  Quietrock is expensive and not the easiest to work with.  Used it in the past on a few projects, but accomplished the same or better with some of the easier options out there as well.  I wouldn't choose to use it again.  Room within a room or staggered stud buildouts tend to be more straightforward and cost-effective builds.  As for the amount of gap between the walls, my experience has been that you don't need much to be quite effective--just a few inches.  But you do need some. Another option [either with or without the room within a room]: using isolation clips and resilient channeling to eliminate noise transfer.  While not rocket-science, that option needs to be implemented correctly by all affected trades [whomever installs the clips & channeling; sheetrockers; etc.], otherwise the benefit can be lost/compromised.  This is one of the reasons why calling for two layers of rock instead of floating the walls on channeling is so popular--it's difficult for all involved trades to screw that up.

Another area where people screw up with isolation is improper treatment for all the penetrations into the room [electrical boxes; pipes; HVAC; etc.]  You wouldn't wont to drop $ on a room-within-a-room build, only to compromise its performance by not addressing the penetrations needed into the space.

Kinetics Noise Control is a good source for isolation help.  They're a manufacturer, but also very helpful in giving consult.  Let them know what you're planning to do and they can offer some suggestions.  Kinetics sources IsoMax clips as well [we've used RSIC-1 clips from PAC Intl, too].  Roxul is great for sound proofing and insulation use.

Isolation isn't cheap, but it doesn't need to be "exotic extravagant either.  Yes, you may get better isolation from a wider gap between the walls or the use of a special compound or glue.  But remember you should be striving for a cumulative effect of multiple isolation solutions that wont break your budget.  I wouldn't blow the budget on one exotic soln.  But address the isolation in as many areas as feasibly possible, preferably in the areas that will yield the greatest results.  After talking with Kinetics and others, you may find that there could be a cost-effective way of isolating the primary noise generators [compressors, etc.] themselves.  That would benefit not only your neighbor, but you as well.
 
insurroundsound said:
I'm definitely not an expert in this field, but do have some experience with it, being in the audio/video field as well.  Back in the day [bout a decade ago], we actually built the very first THX-certified residential screening room in the country.  First resi theatre room with an official THX plague and certified by THX engineers.  Worked on a slew of rooms requiring isolation.  I've personally worked with and installed various materials choices out there: greenglue, quietrock, vinyl loaded barriers, staggered stud walls, isolation clips on resilient channeling, floating walls, complete rooms within a room, etc.  The one common denominator:  isolation done well is not cheap, and your investment can be easily screwed up by improper install of an otherwise good solution/product.

Like others have mentioned, first determine what level of noise you'd like to eliminate.  And also try to think of a budget you'd like to set up for this [trust me, it can get expensive quick].  There are vendors and consultants out there ,as well, who could help, too.  Unless you're independently wealthy, most people do as much isolation as they can within their budget.  Quietrock is expensive and not the easiest to work with.  Used it in the past on a few projects, but accomplished the same or better with some of the easier options out there as well.  I wouldn't choose to use it again.  Room within a room or staggered stud buildouts tend to be more straightforward and cost-effective builds.  As for the amount of gap between the walls, my experience has been that you don't need much to be quite effective--just a few inches.  But you do need some. Another option [either with or without the room within a room]: using isolation clips and resilient channeling to eliminate noise transfer.  While not rocket-science, that option needs to be implemented correctly by all affected trades [whomever installs the clips & channeling; sheetrockers; etc.], otherwise the benefit can be lost/compromised.  This is one of the reasons why calling for two layers of rock instead of floating the walls on channeling is so popular--it's difficult for all involved trades to screw that up.

Another area where people screw up with isolation is improper treatment for all the penetrations into the room [electrical boxes; pipes; HVAC; etc.]  You wouldn't wont to drop $ on a room-within-a-room build, only to compromise its performance by not addressing the penetrations needed into the space.

Kinetics Noise Control is a good source for isolation help.  They're a manufacturer, but also very helpful in giving consult.   Let them know what you're planning to do and they can offer some suggestions.  Kinetics sources IsoMax clips as well [we've used RSIC-1 clips from PAC Intl, too].  Roxul is great for sound proofing and insulation use.

Isolation isn't cheap, but it doesn't need to be "exotic extravagant either.  Yes, you may get better isolation from a wider gap between the walls or the use of a special compound or glue.  But remember you should be striving for a cumulative effect of multiple isolation solutions that wont break your budget.   I wouldn't blow the budget on one exotic soln.  But address the isolation in as many areas as feasibly possible, preferably in the areas that will yield the greatest results.  After talking with Kinetics and others, you may find that there could be a cost-effective way of isolating the primary noise generators [compressors, etc.] themselves.  That would benefit not only your neighbor, but you as well.

Well said man, saved me from going into more detail ;) Kinetics is who you want to call if you want to get serious about this. They will offer you some tips usually over the phone. I have sent them a few plans for theaters and the budget we have to work with and they come up with some solutions.

insurroundsound, are you over at RC,IP or ESI?
 
Hey there, 3ped!...yup, I don't post a lot on the forums [wish I had more time to].  I go by NorCal AV on those three forums.  Don't wanna derail this thread, but I picked up a '14 Transit Connect as well.  Working on upfits right now, when I can...we'll have to chat about it offline or in another thread.  I'm enjoying the van tho.

 
insurroundsound said:
Hey there, 3ped!...yup, I don't post a lot on the forums [wish I had more time to].  I go by NorCal AV on those three forums.  Don't wanna derail this thread, but I picked up a '14 Transit Connect as well.  Working on upfits right now, when I can...we'll have to chat about it offline or in another thread.  I'm enjoying the van tho.

Sent you a PM!
 
Dense pack cellulose is far more effective at reducing sound through walls than any other common insulation material. Much cheaper than spray foam too.
 
This guy has a solution that might be ideal for machine noise. It absorbs bass sounds (the hardest to isolate) and its cheap and easy to DIY.



I'd be interested to know if this works.
 
My advice is the same that I gave Mat. Go talk to them. Communication can solve a lot of problems.

When I had y get together, I talked to the neighbor she even helped out with the parking by letting me use her drive way.

A little communication and compromise can solve a lot of problems.
 
I have sound proofed my workshop I have had machines running and I can't really hear anything.

All I used was 50mm mineral wool and 50mm metal studding attached to a suspended ceiling.   

Saying that the exterior walls are 200mm thick hollow blocks in some places and other solid concrete and the ceiling is suspended from a blocksnd beam floor. 

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Regular fiberglas insulation isn't probably the best soundproofing material, but, it you don't have to make the shop perfectly sound proof, it has worked well for me. My shop is on the other end of the housed from the bedrooms and in the basement. I have soundproofed the ceiling with fiberglas insulation and the walls between the shop and the rest of the basement with drywall, fiberglas insulation and, on the other side (which is a family room), drywall with an outside layer of sound board. Between the rooms, very little sound comes through. Upward, more comes through, but I rarely worked when my kids and wife were asleep. Now, that the kids are out of the house, and I am retiriing soon, I may work at night more. It could be a problem, but the point is that, if you don't have to block all sound, fiberglas insulation can work.
 
On of the most important lessons I learned about soundproofing doing Home Theater work (Home Theatre for those of you who prefer metric [wink]) was that MASS stops vibration.

As mentioned before, the cheapest solution for most shop applications would be to add a second layer of sheetrock on top of the first.

If you're starting from scratch, consider using only 5/8" because of it's extra mass. Install the first layer. Tape and mud all the joints like normal. Although the finish doesn't have to be PERFECT, it has to be COMPLETE - no holes or gaps or weak spots for sound to get through.

Install the second layer, alternating the seams and joints. Try not to let ANY joints or seams line up except where you can't avoid it, like in the corners. Even there you can minimize the possibility of 'bleed through' by carefully installing the top layer opposite of the first layer - i.e. if the first layer had the left piece going all the way to the stud(wall) and the right piece butting up against it, make the top layer have the RIGHT piece go all the way to the wall/stud and the LEFT piece butting up against it.

Doing this requires a little care and planning, but it adds almost NO COST if you're doing it yourself, and it WILL pay off in major sound transmission reduction!
 
My workshop is built from 4x2 timber studs, external shiplap cladding ( no ply/ sheathing) Insulated with 4 inch kingspan foam. 1/2" plasterboard - plastered. The floor is 6x2 timbers with 3/4" ply glued/screwed to the timbers.
4" fibreglass insulation in the ceiling and same treatment as the internal walls.
I have run my benchtop thicknesser, extractor ( vacuum type) and router table all running at the same time, and to hear that lot i need to be within 10ft of the workshop. :)
 
in such a situation , best solution is to have a temporary sound proof wall, but for effective sound proof it is better to go for layer by layer tempory wall, or curtain for example, i recomment to go through this article www.soundbarrierfence.com/…/und-Barrier-Insulation.html and www.soundbarrierfence.com/…/f-Fencing-Introduction.html
look how 4 layer sound reduction is used to make a sound proof fence. and better part is its easy to remove and transport. i hope it is helpful for all
 
I sure someone has posted the wall system that I use, but here goes. Double 2x4 walls with spaced upper and lower plates, with the second upper plate tying the walls together. F.G. sound batts and drywall on sound channels. I have used it for years and found it to be the most cost effective system. B
 
Mineral or Rock wool is the insulation you want for sound attenuation.

Fiberglass is really only a feel good solution.
 
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