stairs and glue

[jmbfestool]

Nigel

Thanks for posting all the photos.  You have made some nice stairs there.  I really don't like the dark stain but everything else is lovely.  That is quite a stringer you are using, is it solid oak ?  I see a few differences between your stairs & the way i do them, apart from the wedges, you have more tapered treads coming round the corner than i do but i like yours, might start doing it like that  [smile]

Will try to post some of my efforts if i can reduce the picture sizes (not very good at that)

Cheers, Woodguy.

Easy I use Adobe elements 7 or later or newer doesnt mater.  You can easily alter the resolution also it has a very good compression rate when saving it to Jpeg you can have a 4 MB image reduced to like 200KB easily.

JMB

 

[woodguy7]

OK, will put some pics up,. hope you don't get sick of seeing stairs though  [blink]

This was an original stair that the guy wanted redone.  We couldn't do a totally new stairs because then we would have had to conform to current building regs which would not have worked.  We got round it by basically replacing 95% of all the components.  Lot of work though as everything was done on site, with the help of many Festools of course  [big grin]

Woodguy.

 

[jmbfestool]

Nice job I like it. I liked it how you just kept the stairs and upgraded it.  Does the cost work out the same as having new?!?!

Did you clad alot of it then?!?!  Just wondering how you did it all. What did you remove and replace and what did you keep and just covered with new?!?!

JMB

 

[windmill man]

Evening,

Nice Job That! [smile]

John

 

[Nigel]

           
        Jmb,I have the 1400 on the end of that cutter, no problem swinging it.I cut those shoulders in 2 passes.Brilliant cutter from Wealdens.

    Woodguy,Agree on the dark stain.It's even darker in real.
   
       I should of been a bit clearer but it's my first post with photos.
   
      The top 4 pics are the original[ dirty due to renovations 64mm] stairs and 5 to 9 with no stain is the one I made,I chickened out and used a 48mm stringer which is heavy enough for one person!.

No 10 is mine final stain,not as dark as original but I would have preferred to leave it natural  .Client requested dark stain to match existing ,well I tried [wink].....It's all in solid oak.It had to fit in a compact space and have headroom under that beam.I thought 6 winders looked the best.

     I'd certainly like to see some pics of yours if you can [smile]

 

[Nigel]

     
  Ah I see you posted some pics Woodguy and very nice they are!Did you make all the fancy bits?I like the finish,what is it?

 

[woodguy7]

JMB

It is not so much clad but replaced.  The cost worked out about the same price as a new stair, one heck of a lot of work.

Nigel, yea all the scrolls were cut on site with a jigsaw oversized & trimmed with a bearing guided cutter to a template.  The Kapex & Domino were the star tools on that  job, closely followed by the Rotex  [thumbs up]

Some more ?

 

[woodguy7]

What the heck, a few more.  Getting the hang of this now  [smile]

 

[jmbfestool]

I see a little foot on the last picture lol  You have small feet.

Nice stairs. I would love to build a set of stairs sometime.

JMB

 

[Mac]

Nice work. Decelptively simple but graceful.
[thumbs up]

 

[Nigel]

   

   Ha you should be called Stairguy!

Very nice work.I see what you mean,you do the winders by splitting the turn into 3.I almost did that but 5 or 6 makes for  a more even stride, more work though.....

 

[jmbfestool]

I like both.

The 3 looks nice on open risers but so would 5 or 6

Do a 4 maybe its the happy medium.

JMB

 

[woodguy7]

Its not always about what looks best.  You have to work out your risers then the goings.  That normally determines how many winders there is.  Funny you should say "stairguy"  Kinda what i am known as.  Got an ash winder to do next week & an Oak winder the week after.  Pricing a few more also  [smile]

I like stairs, they are not easy but i like a challenge.

Woodguy.

 

[woodguy7]

Nigel, Mac, John & JMB, thanks for the comments  [smile]

JMB, that foot is the customers small son.  I did warn him that an open tread staircase in Oak then lacquered would be quite dangerous but he assured me it would be OK with the little uns.  About 2 years later i was back doing another job for him & asked if the kids were OK with the stair.  He said yes but his wife slipped & went from top to bottom on her back  [doh]  She was OK though.

Woodguy.

 

[peter halle]

My congratulations to all those who have mastered posting images in this thread!  [thumbs up] [thumbs up].

I really find it fascinating how stairs are different in primarily Europe from here, and the amount of work you guys do replacing stairs.

Keep posting, this is educational!

Peter

 

[Nigel]

       Peter,  It's  thanks to you I  had any hope at all of posting pics!Thanks for the vid.

 

[woodguy7]

I will try to do a wip on my next set to show the process.

Woodguy.

 

[Nigel]

      Ok , here's a few more of the construction.Nobody else got stair pics?

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[woodguy7]

Nigel

Just had a chance to look at your second lot of pictures.  That is stunning, i am really impressed with that.  I was going to ask how you shaped the newel tops but then you showed it  [smile].  The outside stringer, are the treads & risers not housed in ?  They look like they sit on the applied piece underneath or am i wrong.  I would like to know how you put the mould on the curved handrail.  Do you do these yourself or have a helper.  I work on my own now but always get a helper to help fit the stair, too dam heavy  [scared]

Do you mind me asking what you charge for labor for making a stair like that + fitting.  I understand if you don't want to disclose your prices.

Lovely job, Woodguy.

 

[Nigel]

       Woodguy,

                     Well spotted.You are correct the exterior stringer is un-housed with the treads and risers on the applied pieces.This is typical of stairs in this area.
   The handrail was moulded on the cms with a hand rail bit.

   I made and built it on my own in situ.Building in situ is unusual as you know.The ceilings are low and space limited.I could just about lift and manoeuver the assembled handrail stringer on my own.It would have needed at least 3 to install all assembled.Obviously with a housed exterior stringer assembling in place is impossible but for me in this case it worked surprisingly well.

    Something else that is perhaps not obvious to a casual glance but was in fact probably the most difficult part is the winders.If you look closely at the 2nd to last pic,the winders start at the 1st newel and continue around the 2nd and on up the stringer.This is common for custom built French stairs and makes for a very balanced staircase in a compact space.The whole thing fits in 2.4m x 0.9m x 2,6m high.

Costwise it's difficult to say exactly as it's part of a much larger job but I remember pricing it around 5000 euros.There's well over 1000 euros of oak in that though.Do you think that's a fair price?

            Nigel.