I would go further and suggest the mainstream media reports only what the high ups want us to read . It's always slanted/spun/hyped one way or the other. The truth is scarce in the media which is sad because at the end of the day it's all we have that really matters.
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I think you are mixing things here. Jobs legacy for many was huge, for some it is nothing because they decided to leave a simple life. I am and I have a living thanks to thecnology, I see the Amish and dream about a simpler life, will I choose to be an amish, no, not for a million years.
Also, you need to diferentiate that some people follow the celebrities. I dont do that, I dont like sports and I could care less about it. I ride the bus to downtown and every monday I head about a football player, baseball player, I just plug my headphones of my iphone and stop listening to that nonsense. (thanks Steve Jobs for the Iphone). Most of all society has their values upside down, Princess Diane, I was sad when she died because she was a human being, but nobody remembers Mother Thersa, she gave a lot more to humanity, but her death was eclipsed by Princess Diane, a tabloid person, high society.
Back to point, yes you are right, Jobs doent have any legacy for many, or at least for some that just follows the tabloids I live in the world of thecnology, if there is none, I will have problems surviving, so for me his legacy is big, and it is a shame he died so soon.
Also, you need to diferentiate that some people follow the celebrities. I dont do that, I dont like sports and I could care less about it. I ride the bus to downtown and every monday I head about a football player, baseball player, I just plug my headphones of my iphone and stop listening to that nonsense. (thanks Steve Jobs for the Iphone). Most of all society has their values upside down, Princess Diane, I was sad when she died because she was a human being, but nobody remembers Mother Thersa, she gave a lot more to humanity, but her death was eclipsed by Princess Diane, a tabloid person, high society.
Back to point, yes you are right, Jobs doent have any legacy for many, or at least for some that just follows the tabloids I live in the world of thecnology, if there is none, I will have problems surviving, so for me his legacy is big, and it is a shame he died so soon.
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Something else, I have an Ipad and Iphone, but I used them in my daily work. I scan, track expenses, post comments, read news, create spreadsheets, etc, with them.
That allows me not to carry a heavy laptop, for so many here is similar to stop carrying the Kapex, because there is something smaller that could do some of the job until they go back to their shop.
That is huge for me,and it is making my life simplier and easier, this is different for others, so each person has a different way to measure life. Your point is valid but not correct to many, as mine is correct to me and some.
We are different, but what makes you tick is different to me. I have pictures of Albert Einstein, but for many the E=mc2 is inconsequential to their lives, but for me is huge, see we are all different people, he made a huge contribution to society, but not for all.
PS. Sorry for my English but it is my second language.
That allows me not to carry a heavy laptop, for so many here is similar to stop carrying the Kapex, because there is something smaller that could do some of the job until they go back to their shop.
That is huge for me,and it is making my life simplier and easier, this is different for others, so each person has a different way to measure life. Your point is valid but not correct to many, as mine is correct to me and some.
We are different, but what makes you tick is different to me. I have pictures of Albert Einstein, but for many the E=mc2 is inconsequential to their lives, but for me is huge, see we are all different people, he made a huge contribution to society, but not for all.
PS. Sorry for my English but it is my second language.
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Some would say arts and crafts or woodworking are nonsense. Sports add a great joy to my life now and as a child. Some of my best childhood memories were playing on a team for 7 years. As an adult I love watching American Football. The offensive schemes against the defensive schemes(its like Chess), player on player and the actual physical ability of these guys is amazing to watch. It's exciting and just plain fun. I am sorry you and many others consider sports nonsense, maybe if in America more people did not consider it nonsense 1/2 the population would not be obese.
Sports mirror life on so many levels it's to bad you are not into any. I find that once people understand American football they rarely do not like it. I also find that when people participate in sports they feel better physically and emotionally. Sports are not nonsense at all.
Sports mirror life on so many levels it's to bad you are not into any. I find that once people understand American football they rarely do not like it. I also find that when people participate in sports they feel better physically and emotionally. Sports are not nonsense at all.
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Dovetail65 said:
[big grin] This is really going off in a weird direction. I can't wait to see how this turns into stories about famous sea creatures.
Nick, for what it's worth, I rarely watch sports, but love to participate in them when I get a chance and I workout with a weight lifting machine to keep in shape, even with poor eating habits (unfortunately). I'm definitely not obese. I don't see any correlation between watching sports or participating in sports and obesity. It's choices, genetics or medical reasons that result in obesity. Nobody forces the McDonalds on anyone. Wait a second, what about Refrigerator Perry?
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If you do not see any correlation to obesity and not exercising(ie through sports) I can not help you understand it. One can eat perfectly and still not be healthy from lack of exercise. Whether it be weightlifting, running or team, sports is the only way I know of how to get that exercise. Even walking is a sport in the Olympics. I guess you can consider doing simple exercising as calisthenics and not sports.
If people think like that Ken no wonder 50% of the US is obese, you have to get exercise irregardless of genetics and eating habits and the simplest most common way is through sports!
When I was a kid PE was required(in many states its not now)and kids really played outside in street sports everyday. You know I can remember maybe 2 fat kids in the whole school. Now I go to my kids school and literally 1 out of 3 kids are fat. PE is still required here, but there are tons of ways to get out of it through other activities, ie plays, singing, etc. And I do not see any kids playing street sports like they did when I was a kid. No one can tell me these kids are getting fat because of just what they eat, it is lack of exercise and playing outside that is a big part of it. We barely had enough kids participating to fill the football squad, that is weird. When I was a kid students cried when they did not make the team, here there is no make the team, you are on if you want to play because of lack of interest.
The lack of playing sports is a huge part of the US kids being so overweight in my eyes and for the population in general.
As far as watching I think I stated pretty clearly that I watch sports for fun and entertainment. I never implied watching sports would make you lose weight at all. Playing sports on the other hand can definitely help a person lose weight and be more healthy and there is a correlation between being overweight and not participating in exercise through sport, especially for kids. This is the first time in the USA history that the next generation has a shorter life span than the preceding and the reason stated is being overweight from lack of exercise. As far as bad eating habits, heck there were McDonalds when I was a kid and i ate the crap people eat now. I think it is more the sedentary lifestyle more people live that is causing the obesity epidemic more than just their diets.
This is a big issue for me having 7 kids. The 3 that struggle with weight are the ones that never would or do participate in sports. Luckily they are nowhere near clinically obese. Just the same I have to watch it and keep them off the couch one way or another., sports was the answer for 4 of them.
If people think like that Ken no wonder 50% of the US is obese, you have to get exercise irregardless of genetics and eating habits and the simplest most common way is through sports!
When I was a kid PE was required(in many states its not now)and kids really played outside in street sports everyday. You know I can remember maybe 2 fat kids in the whole school. Now I go to my kids school and literally 1 out of 3 kids are fat. PE is still required here, but there are tons of ways to get out of it through other activities, ie plays, singing, etc. And I do not see any kids playing street sports like they did when I was a kid. No one can tell me these kids are getting fat because of just what they eat, it is lack of exercise and playing outside that is a big part of it. We barely had enough kids participating to fill the football squad, that is weird. When I was a kid students cried when they did not make the team, here there is no make the team, you are on if you want to play because of lack of interest.
The lack of playing sports is a huge part of the US kids being so overweight in my eyes and for the population in general.
As far as watching I think I stated pretty clearly that I watch sports for fun and entertainment. I never implied watching sports would make you lose weight at all. Playing sports on the other hand can definitely help a person lose weight and be more healthy and there is a correlation between being overweight and not participating in exercise through sport, especially for kids. This is the first time in the USA history that the next generation has a shorter life span than the preceding and the reason stated is being overweight from lack of exercise. As far as bad eating habits, heck there were McDonalds when I was a kid and i ate the crap people eat now. I think it is more the sedentary lifestyle more people live that is causing the obesity epidemic more than just their diets.
This is a big issue for me having 7 kids. The 3 that struggle with weight are the ones that never would or do participate in sports. Luckily they are nowhere near clinically obese. Just the same I have to watch it and keep them off the couch one way or another., sports was the answer for 4 of them.
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Nick,
Where did I say that excercise wasn't good or necessary? I said watching or participating in sports isn't a necessity or rather, doesn't correlate to a lack of obesity. Example, if you watch and/or play sports, that doesn't keep you from being obese. If you are obese, that doesn't mean you don't watch and/or play sports. How many guys drink a ton of beers and watch football, get together with their buddies and play it, yet a lot of them aren't exactly models of physique. Playing or watching sports doesn't keep you from being obese. Other factors are involved. That's what I'm stating.
Now, how 'bout that giant squid...
Where did I say that excercise wasn't good or necessary? I said watching or participating in sports isn't a necessity or rather, doesn't correlate to a lack of obesity. Example, if you watch and/or play sports, that doesn't keep you from being obese. If you are obese, that doesn't mean you don't watch and/or play sports. How many guys drink a ton of beers and watch football, get together with their buddies and play it, yet a lot of them aren't exactly models of physique. Playing or watching sports doesn't keep you from being obese. Other factors are involved. That's what I'm stating.
Now, how 'bout that giant squid...
This thread has certainly gone off on a tangent. How about we take it back to the original topic?
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I now have Steve Jobs as my iPhone's wallpaper. Hopefully his spirit will notice and communicate to me, wifi or 3G is fine.
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They will be releasing a new updated steve jobs in about 6 months....
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WarnerConstCo. said:
[big grin]
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Even though I don't think he deserves the level of praise he has received from some commentators and has helped produced a world of fawning sycophants who are slaves to technology, I couldn't imagine another one of him coming along very soon. His achievements are undoubtedly remarkable and imagine what he could have achieved if his all his efforts were directed to something a bit more humanitarian. A cynic might say that without a share price and balance sheet to gauge his progress it would have been hard to get his interest.
Re the topic going off topic in the direction of sports, Dovetail's comments about the difficulties of getting kids to participate are very relevant. They have so many electronic gadgets nowadays that I couldn't even have imagined owning in my youth because they hadn't even been thought of back then. If the weather was nice my parents would want to know why we weren't outside enjoying ourselves. We even got exercise back then when we had to change channels as there were no remotes and only 3 channels to choose from. We were amazed to get a 4th channel in 1982!!
I hope his death for some at least is a chance to see just how much technology has taken over our lives and what is good for us and what we could do without. The key is what we could be missing by being a slave to it both financially and evidently emotionally in the case of some fanatics.
There are so many parrallels that I can see between Apple fans and avid Festool fans. Festool don't have a Jobs to create the hype but still manage to create a similar brand loyalty that I think is misplaced to a degree. How many times have new users to the forum and Festool been warmly welcomed with a reference to the green slippery slope. It is no mistake that the most loyal Festool fans see aspects of ownership as a downwards spiral. Something is wrong when a drill, saw or router etc becomes that important to someone. I was speaking to a very learned religious man last weekend over lunch and he made the point that when you stop believing in religion you will believe in anything. I was going to contest his views as I am not religious but it wasn't the place to have that discussion. On reflection and particularly after seeing the reaction to Steve Job's death I would struggle to put forward a case.
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It has massive consequence to anyone using a SatNav. If we didn't have the concept and reality of spacetime people would end up in all sorts of strange places!
However that beautiful and wonderfully simple equation could be what saves the planet. Unfortunately Einsteins greatest spin off so far has been the atomic bomb. The world's best scientists have trying to evolve his thinking into something useful for mankind for over 100 years and have achieved very little. The evolution has been slow and can be meaured in centuries between leaps in understanding. It goes something like Galileo, Newton, Einstein...... I hope that whoever is next comes along in my lifetime.
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andy5405 said:
Andy, I'm curious where you place on the graph that results when you take this Political Compass Test.
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Andy, I'm curious where you place on the graph that results when you take this Political Compass Test.
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Andy,
Don't even click on the link. The questions are all framed in such a way that you can't even answer the way you'd like too. It's the marxist, progressive, communist agenda in full swing.
It's just a plain setup.
Chris...
Andy, I'm curious where you place on the graph that results when you take this Political Compass Test.
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Andy,
Don't even click on the link. The questions are all framed in such a way that you can't even answer the way you'd like too. It's the marxist, progressive, communist agenda in full swing.
It's just a plain setup.
Chris...
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Andy, I'm curious where you place on the graph that results when you take this Political Compass Test.
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Andy,
Don't even click on the link. The questions are all framed in such a way that you can't even answer the way you'd like too. It's the marxist, progressive, communist agenda in full swing.
It's just a plain setup.
Chris...
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I tried it and it worked fine for me. I didn't realize I could be Emporer of The United States.
That is an interesting test. I took it myself a few weeks ago and I ranked pretty close to Attila the Hun.
Yea right. More like ?
But as a moderator, how about we stop what is becoming baiting. I have seen this pattern before and it does not end well. We have a member who has different views than many, and that is ok. We are a group of thousands and there will be differing opinions. Discussion and debate within the rules of the forum is permissible.
Please post respectively and sensibly.
Peter
Yea right. More like ?
But as a moderator, how about we stop what is becoming baiting. I have seen this pattern before and it does not end well. We have a member who has different views than many, and that is ok. We are a group of thousands and there will be differing opinions. Discussion and debate within the rules of the forum is permissible.
Please post respectively and sensibly.
Peter
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