SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own

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Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?

They should line up exactly with the top of the existing Festool bins if I measured correctly. I need to print the vertical dividers to confirm if the chamfers at the bottom are correct though... I left a tiny bit of leeway so maybe ultrathin washers wouldn't be ideal for these, but once I get one tested I'll throw up the .STL file.

While printing the 83.3x175's I ran into an issue (forgot to slice it WITH supports) and botched the print, so stay tuned on that front...

The Domino systainer divider idea is GOLD though, thanks Ed'! I'll pull out my Domino systainer, make some measurements and see about trying to use the existing dividers/notches in some fashion (though they may be taller than the SYS3 ORG's 68mm?). Or at least trying to use the similar mechanism/measurements so that people can reuse what they already have..

 

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BK Makes, you are on fire! So much great stuff. Yeah, that base grid is exactly what I was thinking of.
Now I either need to buy a 3d printer, or get my very quarantine cautious friend to make some for me.

[big grin] thank you! No regrets here, and they're getting a lot more affordable and feature-packed these days. Plus my kids (well, mostly me, ha ha) love getting Star Wars guns and stuff made from them.

 

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Loving the 25x50 Streamliner Bin, they are a great addition

oh man, I'm stoked that they're getting used. Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate it!

 

[edwarmr]

Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?

They should line up exactly with the top of the existing Festool bins if I measured correctly. I need to print the vertical dividers to confirm if the chamfers at the bottom are correct though... I left a tiny bit of leeway so maybe ultrathin washers wouldn't be ideal for these, but once I get one tested I'll throw up the .STL file.

While printing the 83.3x175's I ran into an issue (forgot to slice it WITH supports) and botched the print, so stay tuned on that front...

The Domino systainer divider idea is GOLD though, thanks Ed'! I'll pull out my Domino systainer, make some measurements and see about trying to use the existing dividers/notches in some fashion (though they may be taller than the SYS3 ORG's 68mm?). Or at least trying to use the similar mechanism/measurements so that people can reuse what they already have..

I know there are shorter Domino tenon bins for the DF 500 connector set that fits in a Sys 1. Those bins would probably be comparable in height to the 68mm of the Sys 3 Org bins. Unfortunately I don’t have the Sys 1 Domino tenon bins so I can’t measure

 

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Yup.. they're ~109mm tall, while the bins in the KV-SYS D8 (connector set) are 56mm...

 

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The first divider came out well, but was too tight a fit (the two green circles in the photo show where the label bevels come out about ~0.7mm further from the edge, causing the pinch.. they work pretty good though. The thin brass washer would not move from one side to the other on the bottom, or the bottom-sides, but as it gets closer to the top it sneaks under. That's due to the slight tapering of the bin sides; I made the dividers straight (and will fix).. because of the tight fit, removing it with force snapped the divider off at the intersection with the"plug" part.. it's only 2mm thick there, but if it fit more loosely it likely wouldn't be an issue...(EDIT: I'm adding a chamfer to beef it up)
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[Cheese]

Have you tested the Festool-like container...
I just did, with an equal number of varying sizes in each. The thinnest washers I own are brass and 0.9mm (I don't own any of those super tiny ones) and both the Festool and the Festool-like performed equally well (none came out). Then I tried with some confetti and the Festool had an escapee before the Festool-like version, but I'd chalk that up to chance [laughing]

FWIW...When I did my testing I chose #4 internal tooth lock washers as the worst case. They're small in diameter and only about 1 mm thick. Chances are anything else that will be placed in the boxes will be larger than the #4 washer.

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I threw about 100 of the washers in a single box in the middle of a grouping.

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I closed the cover and turned the Systainer upside down and shook it 10 times in all directions. After opening it up not a single washer had migrated to another box. You can see some washers standing on the ledge inside the box, that's as far as they got.

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Ha, great test Cheese! They look small enough to squirt out the hole where the plastic label cover goes

 

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Festool 50x50 Bin Divider works, though not sure how useful it will be relative to a pair of 25x50 Bins

SYS3 ORG 50x50 Vertical Bin Divider .STL File

 

[daz9100]

I guess they would need to be printed upside down with support? I'll give one a try later

 

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I guess they would need to be printed upside down with support? I'll give one a try later

Correct!

 

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For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...

BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.

On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.

Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.

For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...

BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.

On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.

Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.

I agree with you; the practicality of the dividers themselves in a 50x50 bin is a bit questionable.., maybe you could use it to organize the mid-length style of hex bits if you were still able to grab the tips... (??).. the version that has a bottom and divides the bin horizontally may be a bit more practical, but I think the 25x50 would likely still be a better option.

On the inclusion of "collars", just doing a ultra scientific "wiggle test" they both seem to perform similarly. I think that's mainly due to the bottoms, which are largely identical. While they are flush at their tops though, I think you're also correct in that including a vertical section at the top (even for half or more than half the height?) would both provide slightly better support/alignment and definitely more room within the bin. The transition between the vertical side and the sloped side would also be smooth as you've said.. so Streamliner V2 perhaps?

I'll do up a 75x75 in a V2 format and post ASAP.. had to tweak my printer's layer height slightly over the weekend and getting much cleaner large prints now and want to get the 4x4 "mat", and 83.3x175 bins printed first (tested the adjustments on a 100x150 nested tray, which I'll post after this).

I'm going to have to google what a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system is... it sounds like a big upgrade!
Thanks for sharing too, I like how we can make iterative improvements together here.
Very cool!

 

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Tried out a 100x150 tray last night that nests into the existing bins (dividing it roughly in half horizontally). It uses the existing label cutouts as registration points, and also provides space to stick a label. The underside of the "label" portion is at a 45-degree angle (and can be used as the lip to lift them out easily), so the only supports needed are along the edges.

As with the original 50x50 divider I was a bit too tight on my dimensions and need to shave the "label holder" portions so it drops in more easily, so will correct before posting the .STL file.

I would expect this size to be a bit more useful.. I'll also taper the sides or take them straight to the top of the bin to clean it up a bit.. that ledge that is created doesn't need to be there..
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[member=69800]BK Makes[/member]

You should sell your bins, for real! They look super nice You could even do them in Festool Green PLA. I’m excited to see how the 83.3x175 bins turn out. Personally I think the lip in the Festool bins (or Bott I should say) takes up valuable space so I prefer your streamliner design. As an example, common domino sizes are 8x50mm, 10x50mm, 8x100mm, 10x100mm, etc. The 50x50 stock bins are only 50mm at they very top so at the bottom they will not fit a 50mm domino lengthwise. The 100x100 bins are the same. They are only 100mm at the very top so they won’t fit a 100mm long domino lengthwise. I think they would just fit in your streamliner bins. That’s a big plus for me.

One question: What is the purpose of the bin within a bin design? It seems to me it would just reduce your storage space. It does look really cool though

 

[semenza]

I think the bin within bin (two layers) would be good for items that need surface area but not depth. There by getting more separation in the same space. Or even double layer multi compartment bins similar to Racko.

Rather than dividers in the small bins , I would just make extra small bins. 25 x 25, 25 x 50. Much easier to remove and dump a small bin than to get something out of it.

One note on selling these, etc.  That would not be acceptable on FOG for anything other than custom sizes. And depending on Festools thoughts maybe not the custom sizes either.  This would come under the competing product research and marketing portion of the FOG rules and ultimately Festools discretion.

Seth

 

[daz9100]

Printed a divider yesterday, printed fine and fitted ok. As you say, not sure how practical it is. Think I will stick with printing 25 x 50 bins instead.

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[edwarmr]

I think for the dividers to be really useful they would have to be similar in style to the dominos bin. That gives you adjustability much like you get with shelf pins in cabinets.

 

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[member=69800]BK Makes[/member]

You should sell your bins, for real! They look super nice You could even do them in Festool Green PLA. I’m excited to see how the 83.3x175 bins turn out. Personally I think the lip in the Festool bins (or Bott I should say) takes up valuable space so I prefer your streamliner design. As an example, common domino sizes are 8x50mm, 10x50mm, 8x100mm, 10x100mm, etc. The 50x50 stock bins are only 50mm at they very top so at the bottom they will not fit a 50mm domino lengthwise. The 100x100 bins are the same. They are only 100mm at the very top so they won’t fit a 100mm long domino lengthwise. I think they would just fit in your streamliner bins. That’s a big plus for me.

One question: What is the purpose of the bin within a bin design? It seems to me it would just reduce your storage space. It does look really cool though

Very kind of you to say so!  though I have no intention of selling plans for anything I end up making. Oooh, Festool-green PLA might have to be ordered though [laughing], I love that idea!

Hmmm... the Streamliner as its currently designed has the same slightly smaller base as the Bott bins, so that may not give you what you're after. I could go slightly larger, but the midpoint of the square lines that run along the bottom of the SYS3 ORG are 50mm, the wall thickness of those lines then slightly eats into the potential widths, as will the thickness of the bins themselves...gonna go grab a 50mm Domino and check things out up close..(the 30mm Domino I just measured is only 28mm.. but I also live in a very dry area)
EDIT: My 50mm Domino is 48.3mm, but still won't fit lengthwise in either bin just given the wall thickness of the bins themselves

I was going to use the bin-within-the-bin for flat, not as numerous things.. Like a pair of mini c-clip pliers in the tray and a pile of c-clips in the bin or a bunch of mini-hemostats that I used to use for modelmaking on top and a few reversed clothepins or those flat, elastic-using plastic clamps on the bottom.. I just have so much random odds and ends in my existing bin drawers that I'm sure I'd be able to use them in some fashion.

I agree with you on the dividers.. they're not ideal in their existing form. As Seth and daz9100 said as well, the 25mm sizes are likely the preferred alternative.

 

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So the 83.3x175 Bins do work (at least the "Edge's" do, I'm sure the "Middle's" will as well), though I'm having some warping issues with my prints (green circles in the photos). Typically that's due to a draft or temperature differences in the layers, though I moved my printer out of my garage and that didn't solve it. I'll try printing the Middle section with a hotter bed temperature and a slower fan speed, which should solve it.

In the picture are the bottom sections of two prints I stopped after noticing the warping, and one full bin. I'd note that the .STL file is fine, the warping is only due to my print settings.
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The 4x4 "drawer bottoms" in the top right of the picture came out great (though also slightly warped on the corner...same issue). The "wiggle test" proved identical to the SYS3 ORG, though I think some higher, and thicker walls around the edges might be in order if they aren't going to be flush against your drawer sides (I'll whip up a 4x1 square with a taller/thicker edge)

SYS3-like 200x200 Drawer Bottoms

 

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One note on selling these, etc.  That would not be acceptable on FOG for anything other than custom sizes. And depending on Festools thoughts maybe not the custom sizes either.  This would come under the competing product research and marketing portion of the FOG rules and ultimately Festools discretion.

Seth

There's also that pesky little part about how it takes 3-4 hours to print a 25x50 bin. 6-8 bins/day, even selling them at 2 dollars each to turn a margin (which gets eaten up checking on the system every so often), nets...

carry the one, divide my toes...

7 dollars per day, give or take.

You'd be better off setting up an MFT and selling Festool-green lemonade to passers-by on a hot day.

Definitely makes more sense to just provide the files and people can print at home.