SysPort pricing thoughts---

[vkumar]

Not to be a wet blanket, but a drawer system or even a single drawer would take up a lot of space resulting in a a much smaller cavity. Notice how small the sortainer drawers are. Even though you could go for a bigger systainer, you are still width constrained. Nevertheless a very creative thought.

Vijay

 

[PeterK]

:'(  Just dump a bucket on my idea.  [crying]
Yea another pet peeve of mine is the multi-drawer Sortainers as up to 50% of the volume is wasted.
Would think that with a fixed top box, a single drawer would loose maybe a 1/2" to 3/4" of height due to the base and maybe an inch of width. Still seems doable but maybe not practical.

 

[cje]

The drawer in a systainer doesn't need sides. Just a sliding front+platform with the right inlay for storing the tool+accessories will suffice. The tool won't hop out of the inlay during sliding the drawer. During transport it is protected by the sides of the systainer, just as with the current design. When the front tilts appr 30-45 degrees when pulled out the platform doesn't need to slide out completely. So, losing space in the sides is not necessary. There is no lid needed on the top, some space could be saved in the construction of the lid as well. Modern composites might allow the design of a rather thin but strong sliding system that sits under the platform. Overall, maybe 2-3 cm is lost in the height. That is important during transport only. I could live with that. How much space takes a drawer of a sysport? Much more!

CJ

 

[score0matic]

I think it is important to point out that the Systainer is being remade and a second generation is coming.  I won't say more,. . . But Tanos is mindful of some of the short comings and also that the patent in the US reaches 20 yrs in 2013.

 

[score0matic]

For shop use,  what about a cart with an MFT Top and drawers that hold the systainer inserts?  Place the insert in the box put the tool in the insert.  If you need to take the tool some where keep a couple of sys3 or 4's and just slide the insert in one and off to the task.  The rest of the time the tool and its accessories are where you need them and you dont have to mess with the systainers.

Just a thot as I am on the total other side.  I have 40 of them and still "need" 13 more to make my work kits all fit the SYStem. [jawdrop]

Craig

 

[JohnDistai]

You are the big winner so far in the systainer collection contest!  Do others have more?

 

[Brice Burrell]

You are the big winner so far in the systainer collection contest!  Do others have more?

Craig's got me beat, I'm at 36 or so but I'm not sure.

I remember a couple of years ago Festool asked for some feedback on Systainers and I mentioned the drawer idea then. I love the idea of not unstacking.

As for the pricing on the SYSPort, I agree with Peter, discounting them would be great or a discount on buying multiple ports would be nice. I'd need at least 4 of them to make a big difference in my home workspace so I've not bought any. I might pick up one for use on the job site but I don't know how practical it would be to transport one. On the bigger jobs it might be nice.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I am an amateur, I only have 25. [crying]

 

[score0matic]

Yeah, but I own a midget slider miter [sad]  cant play with you big kids and your Kapexes

 

[Corwin]

I'm tied with Brice at 36 -- that is if he has counted correctly...  But, I have the advantage of owning 4 of the SysPorts, and I paid full price for those.  Also have 4 of the SysCarts to stack what doesn't fit in the SysPorts or on my 2 CTs. 

I cannot see how the SysPorts would prove useful for those on the go.  Maybe if you had a hand truck to move them.  Even then, loading/unloading from a vehicle would be most interesting unless you were to first remove the contents.  In the shop, however, they are very nice!!!  I certainly have not regretted purchasing the SysPorts.  Just wish I had a bigger shop, as two of the SysPosts have migrated into the hallway.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I'm tied with Brice at 36 -- that is if he has counted correctly... 

We won't be tied for long, I've got the RAS coming. ;D 

I cannot see how the SysPorts would prove useful for those on the go.  Maybe if you had a hand truck to move them.  Even then, loading/unloading from a vehicle would be most interesting unless you were to first remove the contents.  In the shop, however, they are very nice!!!  I certainly have not regretted purchasing the SysPorts.  Just wish I had a bigger shop, as two of the SysPosts have migrated into the hallway.

Yeah, I was think one would be nice to have on the longer term jobs where loading/unloading from a vehicle wouldn't be a problem.

 

[tbellemare]

You are the big winner so far in the systainer collection contest!  Do others have more?

Quite a few more... I know how you can catch up.  [wink]

Tom

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Some one has to pay to ship those big hunks of metal
from Germany to Indiana to any of you.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Some one has to pay to ship those big hunks of metal
from Germany to Indiana to any of you.

They cost the same though in Holland and Wendlingen is only 200 miles from the Dutch border.

In the body shop we had a number of metal tool and file cabinets and these sysports don't strike me as exceptional expensive compared to those. Mind you, there are a lot of Festool products that strike me as exceptionally expensive, and with reason. For instance, I can buy the air powered cleaning attachment No 450644 for the CT in a local shop for 40 euro while the same thing costs 124 euro with the Festool logo on it.  But I don't see that same difference with the sysports. Similar products by other manufacturers are priced alike, some cheaper and some even more expensive.

 

[JohnDistai]

I took a look at one of these in Woodcraft today.  It is pretty heavy duty, and I believe that you can only get one drawer out at a time.  This is actually an important safety feature.  As much as it pains me to say it, when comparing to similarly constructed tool boxes, a price of $575 may not be way out of line.

This may be another one of those items like the boom arm where you just have to wince, take the pain, and hope that the pain wears off soon.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

That sounds more like one's first week being locked up.

 

[GPowers]

I'll build one so I can learn how to build something worthwhile and so that I can experience the supposed nirvana of the item of envy, the systainer.  It was tough enough justifying the boom arm.  There is no way that I could justify buying one of these.  However, I *would* buy one if the price were lower, say $300.

I would buy several at that price...

 

[mouppe]

I have almost finished building my second sysport. Because I had the dimensions ready from the first one, it really only took me a couple of hours before it was ready for painting. (I also had an MFT this time around so the repeatability of cuts was lightning fast. Need to narrow the drawer width by 1/8"? Done.) I can fit a 6 x sys3 in two columns of three compared to slightly less in a sysport in one taller column.

Including paint, drawer slides and handles, wheels, plywood and MDF, I think I have spent just under $300. The 6 full extension slides were $20 each, and the handles $10 each. A sysport is $575 but it is metal, the drawer heights can be easily moved, it comes with a warranty, etc.

I could have spent a little less perhaps on one or two components but not much. So unlike a year or so ago when I thought the sysports were grossly overpriced, I am going to have a change of heart and say that they are not so expensive considering everything. I still would not buy one as I can build it for $300 but it's not a huge difference if you are pushed for time and want the easy way out.

Richard.

 

[Frank Pellow]

Richard, it is interesting that the one you made cost $300.  The one I made  shown in the attached photos) came in at just under $200.

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[mouppe]

I think I was rounding up a little, but basically, drawer slides and handles were $180. Bit of a rip-off on the handles but never mind. 14" full extension slides $20 each, stainless steel handles similar to the ones in the link below, mine were $10 each.

http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/page.aspx?p=55231&cat=3,43520,43521,46758&ap=1

Paint was $45, I got enough for two sysports, so I suppose you could consider the cost to be $23 for each.

MDF and plywood about $40. Wheels about $15. Mine is a little larger than yours.  [poke] I prefer two columns of three to one tall column as I use the cabinet as an extra work surface.

So call it $260 for the whole thing, and about $2000 to fill it up with the green and blue!

Richard.