TCL3 made in china

[AlexThePalex]

Those quality iPhones, aren't they from that factory with the suicide nets?

 

[Kev]

[thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Not so funny was the fact that the driver of the yellow car was taken to hospital with serious injuries [eek]

 

[#Tee]

whats funny is that those german cars like bmw run plastic fenders as well. big plus to china to reduce weight for better fuel consumption.

 

[bertv]

A bike ‘Made in Germany’? Assembled in Germany, probably. Ninety percent of bike parts are made in China and thereabouts. The only reason that the average bike is not shipped over from overseas in its entirety is cost — it is marginally cheaper to assemble in the region where it will be sold.

 

[Timtool]

Apple could make their iphone in the US, sell it for half the price and still make a mountain of money. The profit margin on that thing is enormous there is absolutely no reason to make it there besides increasing profit margin to indecent levels, making it in Germany would only barely reduce the profit margin by 5%.

My 2012 Festool chargers are made in germany, they work well, my Syslite charger is made in China and it's rubbish. You have to jiggle the plug into the syslite for it to make contact, if it moves a mm it stops charging...
yes you can make quality in China but these days it costs the same as making it in the west, the no1 reason why companies use decide to produce 10.000 km away from their market is solely because they can't be beat at making stuff as cheap as possible with poor quality that ensures a programmed obsolescence.

I buy Festool because my latest Bosch tools had made in China on them, please Festool don't be stupid.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I go out of my way to not buy crap made in china. Its hard, but tools are one thing I make sure to avoid.

Yes, I would not buy something from festool if it said made in china on it. 

Screw china.

 

[jimbo51]

As mentioned above, there is no way to know how much of a given product that is labeled, Made in Germany, is produced in Germany. I have read that the labeling laws are based at least in part on the concepts of most value added (and probably final assembly) to determine the country of origin.

The 2012 Festool charger may still have had a chunk of Chinese electronics inside.

Made in Germany Leica cameras of a certain type have large subassemblies made in Portugal.

Some Rolex watches have the massive steel cases machined in China.

The vast majority of electronic products are either made entirely in China or contain substantial amounts of Chinese components. That is the fact today.

I ended up buying some specific draw slides from Lee Valley because they stated that they were made in Taiwan.

Updates
I bought one anthracite Sys 4 from Woodcraft, but I am still yearning for another black and gold Systainer from Lee Valley.

I misread my calendar. My steroid shot for my neck is next week, so I will not start my sysport until then.

Grex has started selling an 18 gauge cordless nailer. No word on a 23 gauge that I have seen.

 

[burp110]

don't blame china for crappy products.

apple went to china and managed to churn out fantastic phones + chargers. Sold USD48b in value of iphones in 4th quarter alone. beat that.

festool went to china and made squeeky chargers. so who to blame?

 

[semenza]

Please keep this out of politics. And blanket statements about countries are not particularly acceptable.

Seth

 

[DrD]

I must weigh in on this subject.  One can set all the specifications one wishes, BUT unless one has TOTAL control over the sourcing of parts, assembly, and testing, one cannot insure nor assure specs are met - this has been my livelihood until I retired.  While I don't have the volume of Festool goodies as many others on here do have, I WILL NOT buy another Festool item (tool or replaceable) if I see "Made in China" on anything Festool.  Comes from years of experience in automotive and steel manufacturing management.

Regards, Dr. Donald Goodman

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I agree with comments above,I would not buy something from Festool if it said made in China.

 

[racerv]

I would promptly return any Festool that said "made in China" and buy the less expensive Makita / Bosch equivalent.

That being said my stance could change if Festool could guarantee that the quality of the tool was the same as before, but they would also have to give me the warm fuzzes about how its manufactured. I don't want to pay top dollar for a tool if the workers are not treated fairly and theirs abuse in the workplace and suicide nets.  I'm sure if Festool wanted to they could raise the standard of living for the employees that worked in their China factory and make a good product.   

 

[mlfaber]

I go out of my way to not buy crap made in china. Its hard, but tools are one thing I make sure to avoid.

Yes, I would not buy something from festool if it said made in china on it. 

Screw china.

I could not agree more with this statement!

 

[Coliban]

A bike ‘Made in Germany’? Assembled in Germany, probably. Ninety percent of bike parts are made in China and thereabouts. The only reason that the average bike is not shipped over from overseas in its entirety is cost — it is marginally cheaper to assemble in the region where it will be sold.

But there are some bike-manufacturer which not only assemble in germany but also produce most of the parts. One of them is "Fahrradmanufaktur" which is producing and broad portfolio of bikes, some with many parts from foreign countries on a fast assembly line, but others, unfortunately the most expensive, with most of the parts of german origin, for example: http://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/de/pdf/spezifikationen/expedition/2016_tx-400_rohloff_14g_hs22_dia.pdf

15 years ago, we bought a similar model, most of the parts of german origin, which we use still today, with no problems (apart of the tires, which i changed one last year).

 

[fjb]

Does anyone remember similar conversations ( in the 1960s ) similar to this regarding products made in Japan?
How we derided Japanese motor bikes and then their cars.

 

[johnleve]

I don't think you can really make broad statements simply based on country of origin.  This might have been more possible 20 years ago but now almost everything is globally sourced in one way or another and it is common to see "assembled in" rather than "made in."

I have numerous items that were made in China that are well made and others that were poorly made, even some tools that are well made.  I had a car once that was made in America, it was terrible and I mean it was truly rotten but that is a story for another forum.  I had one made in Germany that was terrible but my current one which is also made in Germany is fantastic.

I don't think that the prices will go down- offshoring is a way for companies to enhance profits.  If that is not at the cost of quality I don't know that it will make a difference in my willingness to buy but I would prefer to see workers that are paid a reasonable wage and treated well.  I would still be willing to pay more for a tool made by properly compensated labor and would encourage Festool to keep manufacturing in those conditions.

Another consideration, especially for electronics which are playing an ever increasing role in tools, is that there are supply chain issues that almost require the manufacturing to be in China.  I cannot recall the details but there was a story about whether or not Apple, or other phone handset makers, could make their products in the US and the conclusion was that it would be nearly impossible for them to do so.  Not due to the cost of labor but due to issues of getting parts timely and responding rapidly to small design changes.

 

[Holmz]

Does anyone remember similar conversations ( in the 1960s ) similar to this regarding products made in Japan?
How we derided Japanese motor bikes and then their cars.

Yes - Mandrake makes mention in Kubriicks Dr Stranglelove, "Strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras."

There is one difference though... The Japanese were designing the cars and the motorcycles, and the not solely building them to spec.

I assume that FT are designing the tools, and they are built to spec, and badged as Festool.

 

[Svar]

Would you give it a rest. GAMMAX is a Chinese company and their bikes are made in China.

 

[Jesse Cloud]

I hope Festool is listening to this.

There's no way we can really know the tolerances and quality control applied to each tool we buy.  Many of us have come to
trust Festool after personal experience of using their tools and seeing quality behavior from the tools.

If Festool compromises on quality as they go to China, they will quickly lose my trust, and I think that of most customers.

Lets hope Festool doesn't become the next Volkswagen.

 

[sae]

I hope Festool is listening to this.

There's no way we can really know the tolerances and quality control applied to each tool we buy.  Many of us have come to
trust Festool after personal experience of using their tools and seeing quality behavior from the tools.

If Festool compromises on quality as they go to China, they will quickly lose my trust, and I think that of most customers.

Lets hope Festool doesn't become the next Volkswagen.

You're making so many assumptions in this, it's really hard to digest.