The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers

[duburban]

Any one spot the difference between Peter`s  video and the other one.............. Peter let the Carvex do the work and did not ram it through the timber. I did not see any white knuckles like on the other video. Thanks Peter

absolutely. anyone breaking that many blades in a shop setting is a complete  [unsure]

there's been a few times where i've bent a series of blades with a sawzall getting that one tough nail or what have you. but not a jigsaw, in a shop.

 

[jmbfestool]

Just think - we were that close and never got to say hello...

Maybe W14.

Peter

Dean is well rude!

 

[Alan m]

great job peter.
get well soon.

i think this video should be put at the bottom of the other thread so that anyone reading it will  see the truth before they  leave it. we all know the story but in a few months it will all be forgotten about  and any new members mightnt  get the whole picture

dean you were very rude to peter. you should have said hello , instead you turned your back . bad form dean bad form [big grin] [tongue] [tongue]

edit sorry didnt see that shane has already done the vieo thing

 

[ART at WORK]

If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turned the Carvex OFF he would not of been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  As the video goes on you can see it moves up and down slightly but not enough to drop it out of sink but almost like it wants to  but on mine this happens often leaving me unable to remove the blade on a regular basis unless I use my fingers to flip the level no big deal

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.
JMB

I noticed the shadow as well as was about to mention it and was happy to see you had picked up on it. Its not major but it is annoying and I have got used to such high standards with Festool that this point doesn't shine like the rest of their kit.

 

[ScotF]

Peter,

Thank you for posting this quick video!  Awesome!  [thumbs up]

I am really impressed with the battery power on this thing...any idea how long the charge lasted? 

Scot

 

[Scott B.]

Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope

 

[Jaybolishes]

Can't wait to see it available here. The poor carvex that was purposely abused in those videos is a down right shame. 

 

[Nigel]

Good job Peter! Very impressive on that piece if Maple.

Is there any chance of a response from the Dutch guys or have they been  [ban] ned?

 

[Stone Message]

Peter,

Thank you for posting this quick video!  Awesome!   [thumbs up]

I am really impressed with the battery power on this thing...any idea how long the charge lasted? 

Scot

Hi Scot

I do try to avoid using a tool for the first time on video and had cut about three 600mm  cuts across 30mm kitchen worktop. I had had a few short practice goes on the 100mm square softwood. I am fairly sure that I had done three or four practice cuts to get used to the machine. Then I did four in front of the camera (although I only show three - in the very first one I accidentally had the speed down to minimum and it took me until halfway through to realise).  I then started on the big maple and got one third through when the battery died.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope

Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Good job Peter! Very impressive on that piece if Maple.

Is there any chance of a response from the Dutch guys or have they been  [ban] ned?

I think that they should be given another 24 hours to tell the full story about their tests.

Peter

 

[Scott B.]

Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope

Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

Peter

Odd. I've never found you to be particularly offensive. You are a class act, thanks for your contributions.

 

[jmbfestool]

Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope

Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

Peter

lol  I'm always getting a telling off!  I have been very good for AGES!  but last night I had about 4 of my posts edited by moderators and a telling off  [embarassed]

 

[peter halle]

I know that many members - including myself - are still hyped up from the thread about the tests on various jigsaws that has now been locked.  One of the points that was repeatedly made was a wish for objectivity.  

Emotions ran high in that thread and I would venture a guess that many of the views of that thread were to see if a train wreck was going to happen.

All of you participating members have made this a community that is friendly and civil.  It is well known that we have a bunch of helpful members; we read here often that many members participate here because of our helpfulness and friendly demeanor.  Let's keep it that way.  Let's talk about tools.

So, how about we cease with the comments about the members here who were participants in that review and let this thread remain objective and as separate as it can be.  I know that might be difficult to do, but let Peter P. do his tests and post his results. Ask questions and make comments about what you see but don't let that other thread and the feelings developed there about personalities pollute this one.

Thank you.

Peter Halle - moderator

 

[waynelang2001]

I for one take every tool review with a pinch of salt. Im very happy with my trion at the moment and if it packs up i will look at the 420. If i like it then good for me, if i dont like it then good for me also because I have the 30 days to return it. If you enjoy a tool you purchase then just have fun with it and dont worry what other people might think. And remember, a poor workman always blames his tools.... [cool]

 

[Rembo72]

I think that they should be given another 24 hours to tell the full story about their tests.

Peter

Hi so far I did not respond not to ge tthe emotion back into this thread , I asked Peter privately what he did but choose not to post here but if being asked....

I think the full story can be read in the thread that was locked, nothing more to say about that, I think in that thread we have mentioned that it is definitely possible to cut thick lumps of timberwith the Carvex but that it can also go wrong.

What was the difference between Peters test and ours:

* We used the metal guide , maybe blade drift combined with this caused an issue with the Carvex, Carvex manual states use on rails for 20mm only, using the metal guide is comparable to a rail so it could be accepted as being used against instruction form the manufacturer. What's strange here is that the 3 other saws with guides did not show these issues.

* Peter appears to have gotten his hands on the new Carvex blades, we where not able to get these and tested with the Trion blades, this may make a difference, again why only with the Carvex and not with the other 3 saws?

* Peter hardly pushed the saw and let the saw do the job, in our test a gentle amount of pressure was applied to cut faster, is this good practise? debatable probably not, however Carvex is the one that showed the issues and it claims through the higher speed to cut faster.

Thats about it for the differences.

If we take the test from Art at Work into consideration that showed both the same sparks and worn out blades as we saw them that the Carvex is particularly critical to how it's being treated. If handled with greatest care it can do the job but what percentage of people will go beyond that limit in daily (professional) life?

I'm a bit dissapointed in the responses in the three treads that our test if bashed all over , Art of Work his test is better believed while generaly it's the same test with similar results and when Peter posts to succesfully cut a thick piece of lumber everybody seems to forget the rest and only believe he did the right thing, I know some of the posts me and my fellow testers made where at or sometimes over the line, should not have happened but I find it a pitty that the discussion was around that and to disbelieve what we had done rather than to discuss on the actual problem. Sparks in a workshop with dust can easily set your workshop on fire. Should that be possible with a saw positioned at this (basically at any) level in the tool market?

 

[Nigel]

Rembo,

You seem to focus on the sparks thing.

I know that if I push my PS 300 in too tight a curve or tighten the guides too tight I will end up with sparks. That however is entirely user error and not the fault of the machine.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Remco/Rian/Jan, this debate will not be allowed to spill over into this thread. You were giving your chance to provide plenty of comments about your tests and the results. If you want to talk about this thread, fine. The conversation from your thread about your review sponsored by the Mafell dealer has ended.

I will remove any posts that are further conversation from the locked thread. It was locked for a reason.

 

[Wooden Lungs]

I was taught to use the right tool for the right job.

So in any situation at my workplace I would not even consider using a jigsaw to cut large timbers.

The main reason is that they are not primarily used for this purpose and I want to get longevity out of my tools.

Its almost like some extreme testing using a tool beyond its capacity or who can burn out the armature the fastest!

Yes it does say its capable of cutting deep timbers in the manual ( I am refering to all makes of jigsaw) but a practical tool for this purpose?  it is not.

When I bought my carvex I had several things in mind but using it as a mini chainsaw was not one of them.

Even on medium size timbers using a circular saw I would do several passes. Mainly to protect and prolong the life of the tool. Obviously jigsaws get one pass because of blade arrangement.

I would like to see comparisons from someone cutting complex curves in suitable material and comparing jigsaws in that way. I dont expect my jigsaw to be able to cut down telegraph poles quickly or railway sleepers!!!
I just want it to be easy to use and accurate.

Every craftsman has different physical strenght so it is logical that different people cut at a different pace.

Peter has resolved the fact that the carvex was not tested properly and I thank him for it, even though I cringed watching the jigsaw being used in that way.

This is just my personal opinion and I always tell my apprentices that your tools are your "bread and butter" and should be maintained and looked after.

Unfortunately using the right tool for the right jobs means buying lots and lots of tools [tongue]

Law of the instrument. Give a kid a hammer and everthing will look like a nail.....

 

[green fever]

hi Shane, looking at this thread it seems that we all have the opportunity  to look at the test from pip and peter both of which show different results , i myself have used the carvex 420 and i have had no issues with blade burn, sparks or bad cuts, if more people come forward on here who actually own a carvex 420 we would then know how this saw compares to it's predecessor the 400, only then will we find out how good the new 420 is and if it shows to be good or bad at least we shall know it was shown by end users like myself , i know it's still early days as the 420 is still relatively new in Europe so i guess this may take a little longer, still anyone not happy can within thirty days send the tool back and get a refund  surely that's long enough to know if it's any good ? , green .