The case for induction cooktops.

Packard

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I’ve had my top-rated (at the time) GE induction cooktop for about 6 or 7 years now. 

Before that, I tested the concept with a one-burner induction hot plate.

On the whole, I am very satisfied with my purchase (though I don’t understand why a cooktop costs more than an entire stove).

The biggest reason for a gas stove is presumably that they heat more evenly than electric burners.  However, the induction cooktop heats almost entirely evenly assuming you are using appropriate cookware (magnetic). 

Cast iron heats the fastest.  Four hundred series stainless steel comes next.  About the only carbon steel pots and pans I have seen are woks, and they do not have a flat bottom, so they will not work.  But if you were to find a frying pan made from carbon steel, it would place right after the cast iron for heating efficiency.

Aluminum pans that are “induction ready”, have a sheet of perforated steel pressed on the bottom.  But since it has about 50% of its area as perforations, the heat transfer is not excellent.

Efficiency:  Induction stove tops are rated about 90% or more efficient in converting energy to cooking heat.  Note that they do not heat up the sides of pans which really do not perform the cooking operation.

Gas stoves, on the other hand are only 40 to 60 percent efficient.  With a great deal of the heat following the outer contours of the pan bottom and heating the sides of the pots and pans.

Induction stoves are safer.  If I were to be absent minded (I’ve been known to be so) and forgot to turn off the stove, the induction sensors will automatically turn off the stove with no damage to the heating elements.  Cleaning the burnt-on mess is still going to be a chore, but no expensive repairs and no house fire.

It boils water far faster than any other method I have come across. 

It offers 10 heat settings and they are highly repeatable settings and remain consistent.  I have no way to measure to see if the settings’ incremental increase is logical.

It is much easier to keep clean that gas.

The cooktop only gets hot due to transfer of heat from the pan to the glass.  It cools off quickly.  It is far less likely to cause burns.

My one disappointment:  My single burner induction hot plate had a timer that would turn off the burner.  The 5 element cook top has a timer that beeps.  I understand that to turn off the burner it would require five timers, but I miss that turn-off feature.

I have seen single burner induction cooktops that can be set into a counter.  If I were stuck with a gas stove, I would definitely install one of those single burner units.

And finally, induction cooktops add very little heat to the kitchen compared to conventional electric, or gas cooktops.

I am just surprised that they are not more popular.  They offer every advantage over gas (except the romantic notion that gas is a chef’s tool), and over conventional electric stoves. 

And despite the logic for induction only 3% of homes have induction cooktops. 

The main difference I see, is that the guy using gas has long hair and no hairnet or tie-back, and the woman using induction uses a hair tie. (Another vote for induction. [eek])

 
On one of my recent remodels, part of the project involved replacing the counter tops, which meant temporarily removing the existing sinks and gas cook top. Since there would be a roughly one month period where the cook top would not be available I loaned the customer a 120V induction cook top. She was shocked at how much more quickly it heated up her food (my nose was telling me she burned a few meals). Too late in the project, she was asking about the feasibility of replacing her very expensive "professional" gas cook top with an induction unit. Based on her experience, she said she'd definitely be installing an induction top on her next remodel.

It is my understanding that most professional chefs/kitchens in Europe and Japan have already converted over to induction, but there's still a lot of inertia and marketing for natural gas here in North America.

Interestingly, one of the "green building" podcasts I listen to had a guest on who was pointing out that much of the publicly-supported housing had natural gas cook tops without adequate ventilation, and it was not feasible to run the electrical infrastructure to convert to 240V. So, the guest commissioned a manufacturer to develop a battery powered oven that plugged into a standard 15A 120V wall outlet. The 120V plug served solely to charge the oven, which ran on an "iron battery" so it did not carry the risk of fire like some Li-Ion formulations. This meant the oven/cooktop was compatible with every kitchen in North America.

One benefit of the battery-powered oven was that, depending on how you wired your kitchen, you could use the oven to power your refrigerator/freezer in the event of a power outage.....
 
The reason you don’t see more of them is the same reason everyone isn’t driving an EV.  Something can be objectively better in most ways but ultimately people will make their choices based on preference, myth, familiarity, perceived cost, etc. 

Induction cooktops/electrification of homes is definitely the future but it doesn’t happen overnight, especially when we’re talking about purchases people tend to make only when they have to and once every 10 or 20 years.

I have a gas stove.  Why?  Because I bought it 12 years ago and haven’t needed to replace it yet.  If we were to remodel our kitchen we’d consider an induction cooktop, but the argument against (I imagine) would consist of the electrical upgrades (maybe not a big deal depending on the scope of the remodel) and losing some of our cookware.

I just purchased a cooktop/range for a rental.  Briefly considered induction but felt for a non-luxury rental it wasn’t the right choice, especially given the cost.  Perhaps next time I purchase a range for that property inductions will feel more standard.
 
I install between 8-10 kitchens per year on average over here in the UK. At least 50% of these use induction, with around 25% conventional electric heatplates located under Schott Ceran ceramic glass, with the remainder running on gas. The gas customers tend to be those who are really into cooking - they buy these huge commercial-scale range stoves with wok burners, griddle plates and so on - costing upwards of £20k. Induction is very popular over here.

 
Packard said:
heating elements. 

Induction cookers don't have any. All they have is a set of copper coils under the glass through which current is passed. It's the pan which gets hot, not the glass.
 
IN OZ our utility bills are going through the roof, so much so that after we get the house rewired (it's an old house) I'm planning on phasing out the gas appliances and going all electric with solar.
 
I was recently watching This Old House and learned there are "full surface" induction cooktops.  I didn't realize they existed, but it seems like a game changer, at least to me.

A Gaggenau induction cooktop was installed on This Old House (I've never heard of this brand before), but I see that Thermador makes a similar cooktop:https://www.thermador.com/us/products-list/cooktops-rangetops/induction-cooktops/CIT36YWB.

We currently have a 5 burner GE Monogram gas cooktop.  I expressed my complaints in this other thread:https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/...-induction-cooktop-here/msg647323/#msg647323.

I'd be open to replacing the gas cooktop with a full surface induction cooktop.  Does anyone have any experience with these full surface induction cooktops?
 
woodbutcherbower said:
Packard said:
heating elements. 

Induction cookers don't have any. All they have is a set of copper coils under the glass through which current is passed. It's the pan which gets hot, not the glass.

I knew they were not heating elements and that the pot or pan only get hot, but I didn’t know how to express that.

I still have the one burner induction “hot plate”.  It cost me $65.00 back then (purchased from BJ’s Club).  Since that time I have been to two weddings held in tents at the home of the bride.  Perplexing to me was the fact that the caterers brought along several one burner propane powered hot plates.  Electricity was available.  Made no sense to me.  Those one burner gas units can be easily knocked over.  It seems like sa law suit waiting to happen.
 
Those portable inductions pretty much eat an entire circuit.  It's only prudent to carry a non-electrical burner.  Likely the same reason why they're not too popular - we had our panel upgraded and also the entire kitchen rewired at the same time to have our stationary Bosch.
 
I have the thermador full surface induction on order for my new house, but only had brief demos of it. Will be many many months before I get to move in and report.
Under the hood it is a giant grid of little coils.
 
I bought my brother and his significant an induction freestanding range for Christmas 2022.  She had been wanting one and with the sale price in effect at that time it was perfect for her.  She had previously lived in Europe and already had the comparable cookware.  Flash forward to last fall and my wife and I finally had it with our ceramic cooktop so it was time for a replacement.  I wanted induction.  She didn't want it and didn't want to replace much of our cookware.  Ended up with a ceramic that cost more than the inductions I was looking at.  Both of us love the cooktop (Cafe brand) over the Kitcheaid that was installed previous.  Happy wife = ....  Flash forward to a couple of weeks ago and we ended up buying some new cookware.  Guess what?  It was induction ready.

I have two portable induction single burner portable hobs as well as one of the single burner propane ones.  I say propane but I think it is actually butane or some other mix.  Guess I am ready for an extended power failure with those plus two gas grills that have side burners. 

I still want induction but for now my pet peeve is the wall oven that can't get up to the 500-550 range that I want for pizza.  But then come a little bit later this year and I will finally be trying out my gas OONI pizza oven for real.
 
GoingMyWay said:
I'd be open to replacing the gas cooktop with a full surface induction cooktop.  Does anyone have any experience with these full surface induction cooktops?

Mine's zoned, but the two flanking ones are flexible similar to the full-surface.  I do find the dead spots inbetween useful though for putting small ingredient bowls and utensils.  Something to consider that you'll lose with the full surface.  My entire top is 36" wide, so it'd be uncomfortable to have to reach over that wide.
 
GoingMyWay said:
A Gaggenau induction cooktop was installed on This Old House (I've never heard of this brand before), but I see that Thermador makes a similar cooktop:https://www.thermador.com/us/products-list/cooktops-rangetops/induction-cooktops/CIT36YWB.

I think Gaggenau is still the most expensive kitchen appliance producer world-wide. They make the Wolf/Subzero/Cove product pricing look like something available at Walmart. To be fair, Gaggenau does produce exemplary products from premium materials with a great warranty. Always wanted their stuff...just couldn't afford it.  I compare their kitchen appliances to be the equivalent of Miele vacuums. Miele dishwashers...not so much.
 
On another note, I've wanted to install an induction burner as we cook a lot of pasta, and nothing heats the water as fast as induction, so from a minimal cooking time frame/quick meal prep, induction is the clear winner. 

However, I purchased a new Wolf dual fuel range several years ago for a killer price and as luck would have it, I didn't get around to installing it until several years later. By that time, the range install was complete but the induction elements/burners had started to go mainstream. That left me with a new range that was already "obsolete".

I may just still try to weasel a small area in the kitchen where I can install a 15" Wolf induction plate to cook pasta. A 15" Wolf only draws 240VAC @ 20 amps.
 
I bought a single induction cooker late last year and love it. Always use it over the coil cooktop. I think the reason the coil cooktop/oven combos are so popular is simply because the builders out here (Southwest region) install them by default in new developments. Sure you can upgrade, but only if you catch them while building. They tend to pop up a whole neighborhood pretty quickly.

I'd only be able to get a 30" in there due to the size of the existing range and the "yeah, no..." expense of widening the area for a 36". I haven't used the oven in nearly 2 decades. I have a separate convection oven and a steam-injection oven. Unless I needed to do a huge turkey, I never need the one that came with the house. I'd much rather pull the range, install drawers/trays and the induction cooktop.

I'll have to look at those full surface units
 
Just to add - anyone contemplating induction should know that the cookware you buy really is key to how successful it is. Cast iron is best, followed by stainless steel. On customer service visits to the kitchens I’ve installed, folks occasionally express disappointment at the performance not aligning with their expectations. In every case, they’ve bought cheap ‘induction-ready’ cookware made from aluminium, with the ferrous layer on the base seemingly having been applied at atomic level.
 
I didn't know how much the cookware affected the hob performance.  I've stayed in several holiday rentals in the UK which have used induction hobs (presumably because they avoid gas safety regulations) but their performance has been terrible.  It was impossible to maintain a constant heat with the hob controls.  Most of the provided cookware was cheap supermarket rubbish - probably explains the poor performance.
Bob
 
We just built a house and I had tons of power available if needed and I wanted an induction cooktop - but between my parents and bad hearts and my wife and heart complications etc and the fear of pacemakers etc - we decided against it and went with Gas

I am very happy and use portable induction cooktops in my outdoor kitchen, but I do like my Gas as well
 
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