To CMS or Not to CMS that is the Question I have for Thee

[rst]

I use my 2200 in my CMS but do not run it to my vac.  I use two separate circuits because of the current draw.  As far the height adjustment, I've never had a problem although there is a learning curve to installing it properly in the plate.  As mentioned above, the fence adjustment is it's weak point but I just ordered a Woodpeckers Micro Adjust which I am going to fit to my CMS.  A lot of users have fitted the Inca positioner to they're CMSs, but I already have a big 32" X 49" self made table with 17" one.  I have a Benchdog lift with a PC 7518 and a dust router collection system that really sucks  [wink].  I actually wish Incra made a shorter version of the positioner as I seldom use more than a couple inchs.

 

[bkharman]

I use my 2200 in my CMS but do not run it to my vac.  I use two separate circuits because of the current draw.  As far the height adjustment, I've never had a problem although there is a learning curve to installing it properly in the plate.  As mentioned above, the fence adjustment is it's weak point but I just ordered a Woodpeckers Micro Adjust which I am going to fit to my CMS.  A lot of users have fitted the Inca positioner to they're CMSs, but I already have a big 32" X 49" self made table with 17" one.  I have a Benchdog lift with a PC 7518 and a dust router collection system that really sucks  [wink].  I actually wish Incra made a shorter version of the positioner as I seldom use more than a couple inchs.

It's funny. The other day I was thinking of buying a LS slider with a new lead screw and making into a "very short" and "slightly longer" positioner for that very same reason.  Sometimes you just want the micro adjustment for very fine routing.

It would be pretty simple to split one into parts. All of this came about as Incra has a sale on parts right now.

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[rst]

That's the reason I ordered the Woodpeckers Micro adjust, it is the tiny adjustments that are really inconvenient to do with the CMS fence.

 

[Birdhunter]

I use the Woodpecker Micro Adjuster on my table saw. Awesome.  Already had a micro adjuster on my router table fence or would have added the Woodpecker unit.

Look at the Jessem router guides. Wonderful accessory.

 

[kixnbux]

I do a lot of onsite work. I'm really leaning toward the cms VL to connect to my mft3 with an OF1400 in it. Right now I work with a Bosch table built into my bench in my trailer. It works well but id like a mobile option

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mft and VL isn't particularly mobile because you always need the two joined at the hip. That would do my head in.

Right... But the logic I'm using is that when I need a router I usually need an assembly table as well. Also thought putting an end rail from an mft on the trailer wall to just clip it to in there could be handy and usable there as well

 

[Birdhunter]

Sooner fan asked for pictures of my router table. I could not find a way to attach them to a PM. Thus, here they are.

 

[SoonerFan]

Sooner fan asked for pictures of my router table. I could not find a way to attach them to a PM. Thus, here they are.

Birdhunter,
I appreciate you posting the photos.  Very helpful as I work through options.

Thanks.

 

[Sparktrician]

If you own the 2200 the set comes with everything you need to hook it up.  But don't do it what ever you do, it voids the warranty Good luck with your decision.
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Can you clarify this point?  Insist understand how the 2200 set voids the CMS warranty.

Here is the statement from FESTOOL here in North America that has been posted here many times:

Warning: The Festool CMS System is approved for use with only the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers in the US and Canadian markets.  It is not approved for use with the OF 2200, nor with any of the CMS modules currently available outside the US and Canadian markets (TS, Jigsaw and sanding modules).  Festool USA does not  endorse the use of these components and will not support them with spare  parts or repairs. The use of anything other than the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers and their related accessories with the CMS will void the warranty agreement on the entire system for customers within the US and Canada. Festool does not endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual.

Peter

Thanks for the clarification.  I asked specifically because an employee at Woodcraft recommended the 2200 for an awesome setup when I stopped in to look at it recently.  Never researched it otherwise.

So I wonder if they're implying that the 2200 is too strong or heavy of a machine...my thoughts at the moment, I'll go find the other threads.  I'm sure it's discussed.

Thanks.

Hey Matt,

I think it is more for the combination of the 2200 and the rating of the CMS switch. Also if you through in a CT in that mix, I believe there are some #s that don't align. There are plenty on this forum that will tell you otherwise, but you have to make your own decision. From experience, I will tell you the 2200 under that table is boss.

I personally use my 1400 as it has plenty of power for my needs.

Cheers. Bryan.

Bryan is correct.  The stock switch in the CMS is rated to only 13.5 amps which is quite sufficient for the OF 1010 and the OF 1400.  The OF 2200 can draw up to 20 amps, depending on voltage and load which exceeds the rating of the switch.  There are aftermarket switches that can handle the 20 amp possible draw.  In Europe, it's more common to have 250 volt power than NA where we get 125 volt power.  The model number of the Festool router will tell you the calculated maximum power used by the tool (in watts), e.g., the OF 2200 can draw up to 2200 watts.  When you apply the power formula P=EI where P is power in watts, E is energy measured in volts and I is intensity measured in amps, you can see where the issue comes in pertaining to NA and 125 volt power.  P=EI, therefore P/E=I. 

For the NA CMS users, 2200/125=17.6 amps, and 2200/110=20 amps.  Both circumstances exceed the rating of the switch. 

In EU, it's different.  2200/250=8.8 amps, and 2200/220=10 amps, both of which are lower than the rating of the switch. 

Yes, the OF 2200 DOES fit the CMS quite nicely.  One aspect mentioned in another posting here on the FOG is that the weight of the OF 2200 will cause the CMS plate to sag in the middle.  That is easily overcome by stacking 12mm x 50mm strips of aluminum duct tape on the frame of the CMS in the center of the plate, front and back, to prevent sagging.  I used six strips stacked, front and rear to get the CMS plate dead straight again.  YMMV...