TS and other brands

[jmbfestool]

A topic for all the new plunge saws which are popping up every where!  

Also adding circular saws with no plunge action but will work on festool guide rails.

Here I would like to list all the other branded plunge saws with disadvantage and advantages but ALSO if it has a special feature we would like to see on the Festool TS plunge saws.

I will update this first post as new plunge saws pop up and/or if I missed any which are already currently available.

TS75. £553.20  (no rail)

TS55. £405.60  (no rail)

AEG TS55e £316.36  (no rail)
http://www.aeg-powertools.co.uk/product/detail/woodworking/plunge-saw/ts-55-e-ts55e

Dewalt DWS520K £346.23  (no rail)
http://www.dewalt.co.uk/powertools/productdetails/catno/DWS520K/
Advantage: 1. Has a double sided rail which helps when you have a  long rail and you dont have much room flipping the rail round.
                 2. It has a double pivot plunge action which means the saw handle stays at the same angle it just moves downwards
                 3. They do a cordless version of the saw

Disadvantage: 1. The Double sided rail could be undesirable when using a square or parallel guide to align the rail to your workpiece

Makita SP6000K1 £320  (includes rail can't find it with no rail at the moment)
http://www.makitauk.com/products/front/?id=2244&model=SP6000K1
Advantage: 1. It has an anti tilt switch so your saw wont fall of when your cutting a 45 degree angle

Mafell MT55cc £505. (including rail can't find it with no rail)
http://service.mafell.de/index.php?IdTreeGroup=12968&IdProduct=22938
Advantage:  1. It has a score function
                  2. It will cut 57mm off the rail so will cut 55 on the rail
                  3. It has a 1degree tilt the other way
                  4. It has more power than the current TS55
                  5. It has a more advanced rail system
                  6. Easier blade change
                  7. The depth adjuster can be set for using the saw ON and OFF the rail
                  8. 1 knob at the front to adjust the angle instead of 2

Bosch GKT55GCE. £380. (includes rail can't find it with no rail)
http://www.bosch-professional.com:80/gb/en/ocs/tools/104655/27298/hand-held-circular-saws/gkt-55-gce/
Advantage: 1. Depth stop can be set for using saw ON and OFF the rail.
In fact, the Bosch GKT 55 is a version of the Mafell MT 55, the Bosch is build by Mafell. To justify the price they removed many features the MT 55 has from the Bosch GKT 55.
- to open the blade cover the Mafell has a lever, the Bosch has 4 screws
- Mafell when the blade cover is opened, the blade is locked, Bosch has a additional lever for this (in fact, the same lever that at the Maffel opens the blade cover and locks the blade at the Bosch locks the blade only, to open the cover there are four screws to be removed)
- the scale for the cutting depth is adjustable for the Mafell, so it's possible to zero the scale in case the blade has been sharpened - removed for the Bosch
- Mafell has a single clamp for angle adjustment, Bosch has two srews
- Mafell has a "Vorritzfunktion" (don't know how to translate this), a special depth setting for coated bords (so that the coating is not damaged along the cut)
- Mafell has position indicators (begin and end of the saw blade), adjustable to cutting depth - not at the Bosch

Woodstar Divar 55 Plunge Saw also they do it in a scheppach version £130. (no rail)
http://nmatools.co.uk/productdetails.asp?Product=1483
Advantage: 1. PRICE! Extremely Cheap!
                 2. The saw can be locked so for when using it OFF the rail as a regular circular saw.

Metabo KSE 55 vario
http://www.metabo.com/Plunge-Cut-and-Circular-Saw-KSE-55-Vario-Plus.31177.0.html
Advantage: 1. The saw can be locked so for when using it OFF the rail as a regular circular saw.

Hilti WSC 85 (plunge and pendulum action = lockable depth)  £358.80  
http://www.hilti.co.uk/holuk/page/module/product/prca_rangedetail.jsf?&nodeId=-333594&selProdOid=424433#
Advantage: 1. Cutting depth of 85mm
                 2. Depth is lockable
                 3. 60 degree angle cut

Hilti WSC 267 Hypoid

Tauchsaege 55
http://www.sautershop.de/products/weitere-Elektrowerkzeuge/Saegen/Tauchsaegen/Tauchsaege-1200W-55mm.html
               
and Hilti do more circular saws which fit on a guide rail     Hilti WSC 265-KE (plunge feature and lockable I think)      and  Hilti WSC 70 ( ??? dont know does not say ??? )
and finally   Hilti cordless WSC 70-A36 (no plunge action only lockable)

Kitty 550 1200w   £    (looks like WoodStar Rebadged)
http://www.hmdiffusion.com/Scie-circulaire-plongeante-Kity-550-1200-W-avec-rail-de-guidage-1-40-m-et-accessoires-OFFRE-SPECIALE-!-11-18456-p.htm
Advantage: Cheap?  Included rail and clamps

SPERO 2106
http://www.spero.nl/product_details.php?category_id=198&item_id=133
SPERO 2120
http://www.spero.nl/product_details.php?category_id=198&item_id=134

Advantage of SPERO: Fits Mafell and Festool guides


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Makita, Festool, Dewalt, Metabo, AEG, Mafell, Hilti all work on a Festool guide rail!  Woodster,Kitty I am not to sure about but it looks like it will fit on a festool guide rail.

Mafell and Bosch work on a Mafell Guide rail
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[neth27]

You missed the Woodster with all the extras  [big grin]  http://www.dm-tools.co.uk/product.php/section/9626/sn/WDSDIVAR55PK2

Saw, 2 1400mm rails, clamps and connector  £219

John

 

[neth27]

You can also get the Mafell with 2 rails and connecting bar for £554 and the Makita with 2 rails for £329.

John..

 

[jmbfestool]

Lol I have not missed anything YET. Lol. I have not finished yet dude!  I'm looking around for average prices and trying to get price for SAW only if possible. Later I'll get prices with 1 and 2 rail deals but I don't want to get the deal prices just the saw prices for now.

Also looking for officl web site links butthe woodster/woodstar And scheppach I'm struggeling to find the official web sites.

Jmb

 

[neth27]

Yes but you won't find any deals on the fixed price Festools  [smile]

John..

 

[jmbfestool]

I'll update the advantages and dis 2moro!   If any one knows some of the diss and adv of some of the saws please post and I'll add it  and if a saw has a feature you would like festool to have.    

Example. Mafell cuts 57mm off raill and 55on raill and the depth gauge can be set to off rail or on rail no need to deduct raill depth etc.....  

Jmb

 

[jmbfestool]

Yes but you won't find any deals on the fixed price Festools  [smile]

John..

True but all I want is so people can see the prices of SAW only. As deals change all the time they come and go and can vary a lot from whom you buy from.  The prices of the saw only tends to be more the same where ever you buy.

Jmb

 

[neth27]

Well i have had the Festool and the Mafell. The advantages on the Mafell are, as you said the adjustment for depth on or off the rail, more power, faster blade change , scoring facility, tilt to -1 and to i think 47 degree, i knob at the front to adjust the angle instead of 2. Thats with out the improvements on the rails..
  The advantages of the Festool................ Mmmmmmmmmmm..............a couple of quid cheaper.......

John..

 

[tjbier]

Who's track work with who's?
Makita and Festool work together right? what about Mafell.
The Dewalt track I think will work with Fessy's, and you can cut on both sides of the Dewalt track (?)
Inquiring minds want to kno. [scared]

 

[Mark]

It seems like the patent on the guide rail plunge saw expired and thus we have all these track saws now. I have to admit that Mafell has some cool features over Festool, but I honestly like the industrial design of Festool of all... yes I also judge tools on their aesthetics as well as performance... function = form.

I can recall a time when I thought DeWalt was the bomb and then Bosch and then our contractor dropped the name Festool... and now I am poor.

 

[GhostFist]

the mafell saw has some really great premium features, one disadvantage imo is no riving knife (that i know of) plus as i stated in another post and as was brought to light in pm's with jmb, no local dealer here and i don't know what the warranty / service is on the machine. As for dewalt's rails, i see no advantage to cutting on both sides. mafell rails have some awesome features though!

 

[Vindingo]

(Snip) As for dewalt's rails, i see no advantage to cutting on both sides.

There have been a couple instances where I was making dado cuts with the TS and had to flip the rail over in order to cut on the other line with the splinter guard.  It isn't a huge inconvenience, but it would have been faster with the Dewalt set up if all I had to do was slide the rail instead of: unclamp, flip rail, recalmp, cut...   

 

[Nigel]

You missed Metabo [eek]

 

[jmbfestool]

You missed Metabo [eek]

Yes I did. Added

 

[ajones]

Jmb

nma agencies ltd  are the importer for mafell and they are the main importer/distributor  for the divar I believe their website is called nmatools

they are buying out of the same Chinese factory that sheppach draper and others use. you will find the pricing you are looking for on that site.

 

[Corwin]

(Snip) As for dewalt's rails, i see no advantage to cutting on both sides.

There have been a couple instances where I was making dado cuts with the TS and had to flip the rail over in order to cut on the other line with the splinter guard.   It isn't a huge inconvenience, but it would have been faster with the Dewalt set up if all I had to do was slide the rail instead of: unclamp, flip rail, recalmp, cut...   

I can see where a double-sided rail would be advantageous at times, but I think it would be most undesirable when using a square or parallel guide to align the rail to your workpiece.  So, I view the double-sided rail as a disadvantage.

 

[jmbfestool]

(Snip) As for dewalt's rails, i see no advantage to cutting on both sides.

There have been a couple instances where I was making dado cuts with the TS and had to flip the rail over in order to cut on the other line with the splinter guard.   It isn't a huge inconvenience, but it would have been faster with the Dewalt set up if all I had to do was slide the rail instead of: unclamp, flip rail, recalmp, cut...   

I can see where a double-sided rail would be advantageous at times, but I think it would be most undesirable when using a square or parallel guide to align the rail to your workpiece.  So, I view the double-sided rail as a disadvantage.

Added!

 

[jmbfestool]

Jmb

nma agencies ltd  are the importer for mafell and they are the main importer/distributor  for the divar I believe their website is called nmatools

they are buying out of the same Chinese factory that sheppach draper and others use. you will find the pricing you are looking for on that site.

Cheers!  Strange they dont have their own website but that will do! ADDED!

 

[dwh87]

I know hilti do a rail saw. Not 100% sure If it's a plunge saw though!!!

 

[Deansocial]

they do 2, i just said the same thing to him on facebook lol. i believe maffell are involved with them in some way