Carl Prentiss
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Just curious if you got this sorted out.
tjbnwi said:How to perform a 5 cut test;
Use a piece of plywood about 2' square, number the 4 sides, place edge #4 against the fence with edge #1 under the rail, cut off about 1/8", rotate #1 to the fence, cut 1/8" off edge #2, rotate 2 to fence, cut 1/8" off edge #3, rotate #3 to fence, cut 1/8" off edge #4, rotate edge #4 to fence, this time cut off about 3/4" off edge #1, mark the fence end of the cut prior to picking the piece up. Measure each end of the piece with a caliper or micrometer.
The difference from end to end is 4 times how out of square the MFT or saw is.
Peter Parfitt said:I hope that this helps explain the 5 cut (often called 4 cut) test.
Here is a video demonstration to prove the accuracy of the PGS:
The starting size was about 420 mm square.
Peter
crookedcutter said:2 – I put the track supports back on the table, entering the rails from the left side of the table, pushed them as hard as I could against the factory-installed stops, and tightened them down very tight.
Gregor said:The factory installed stops inside the slots were off on my new MFT, so using them unchecked as a reference for the rail you might introduce the error you get.
What I did was to setup the back fence, then align the fold-down rail (with the factory-installed stops removed) using a known good square to be rectangular to the fence, then reinstall the stops into the slots at the now known-good position.
Now I can tear apart my MFT for moving and when putting it back together I can align the rail holders against the stops with the confidence of knowing to get a square cut without further checking.
PS: I use two 495541 to attach the back fence.
Gregor said:The factory installed stops inside the slots were off on my new MFT, so using them unchecked as a reference for the rail you might introduce the error you get.
What I did was to setup the back fence, then align the fold-down rail (with the factory-installed stops removed) using a known good square to be rectangular to the fence, then reinstall the stops into the slots at the now known-good position.
Now I can tear apart my MFT for moving and when putting it back together I can align the rail holders against the stops with the confidence of knowing to get a square cut without further checking.
PS: I use two 495541 to attach the back fence.
Dick Mahany said:My MFT3 also was not square from the factory. I used the same technique that you described and reset the factory stops which squared it up. I then used dogs and a pair of the 495541 fence clamps to hold the rear fence and register it to a pair of parf/veritas dogs, but the fence didn't hold tight enough if it was hit, so I went back to the protractor and one fence clamp. I made a MDF square for quick checks and now I get consistent results. Panels are now dead on square when measured across opposing diagonals.
Patrick Cox said:tjbnwi said:How to perform a 5 cut test;
Use a piece of plywood about 2' square, number the 4 sides, place edge #4 against the fence with edge #1 under the rail, cut off about 1/8", rotate #1 to the fence, cut 1/8" off edge #2, rotate 2 to fence, cut 1/8" off edge #3, rotate #3 to fence, cut 1/8" off edge #4, rotate edge #4 to fence, this time cut off about 3/4" off edge #1, mark the fence end of the cut prior to picking the piece up. Measure each end of the piece with a caliper or micrometer.
The difference from end to end is 4 times how out of square the MFT or saw is.
[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member] , I would like to try this test but have a question. When you say to start with a piece of plywood "about 2' square", does it need to be truly square at the start? Thanks.
Patrick Cox said:[member=53905]Gregor[/member] , I had your same experience with the two fence clamps as a replacement for the protractor head. They did not hold the fence well enough. Hoping to get this figured out soon though.
rand17 said:Well after reading all this and having many of the same issues with the MFT/3 its beginning to look as if the protractor and fence system is a bust! one minute the fence is square next minute its out!...ridiculous!! I guess its adequate if your cutting studs for a house or a less forgiving project....but to start cutting up some beautiful hardwood only to have it not cut square is very disappointing....I think the QWAS dogs is the way to go and ditch the fence and protractor....maybe Festool will buy those parts back! HA!
rand17 said:So....I took off the protractor and set it outside!... I took the rear fence up against 2 dawgs and clamped....then squared the rail off to another set of perpendicular dawgs.... did the 4 cut test and was a strong 2mm off north to south on my 4th cut piece... any ideas??