TS60 hypothetical

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I currently have a TS55 and a TS75. The 55 is basically my plywood cutting saw and I only recently bought a 75 because I couldn’t rip 8/4 hardwood with the 55. Now they’re coming out with the TS60 and I’m wondering if I can get by with this one saw instead of my current two.

Hmm…

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the ? is when will it be released... Typically the more I want something the longer it takes so since Im on the fence of upgrading to the ts60 you and CRG have a chance of getting one sooner rather than later or not at all.
 
why not use the 75 for plywood and hardwood? if you are looking for a single saw solution, you will have to change out the blade for different material anyways, why not keep the increased depth of cut in the ts75? is there something you don't like with that saw?
 
peacefullyandpatriotically said:
why not use the 75 for plywood and hardwood? if you are looking for a single saw solution, you will have to change out the blade for different material anyways, why not keep the increased depth of cut in the ts75? is there something you don't like with that saw?
That’s an easy one. Because the plywood and rip blades for the TS75 are different thicknesses and I’d have to recalibrate the saw for the rail every time I change blades. It’s also an ancient design that hasn’t been updated in 15 years.

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Think id rather have two saws for when one breaks or gets pinched.

Haven’t seen a whole lot of opinions/reviews on the new TS60 yet. I’m interested, i love the TS55, but a bit more power, depth, and versatility (cross cut rail) wouldn’t be too bad:)

But with all the blades and accessories i have for my TS55, and that I've calibrated both my TS & HKC to cut on the same rails. . . Changing saws feels like more of a hassle than a pleasure.
 
I don't use a track saw (or now circular saw) a lot, and that's why I sold my TS75. If I was to go back into the track saw fold, I'd get the TS 60 (and sold my TS 55 and 75 if I had them). The TS75 is heavy if one uses it all the time, and the TS55 can't handle thicker stock, enough reasons to ditch both for a TS60. Why did Festool come up with a TS60?  It saw the need and demand.

If Festool released a DF600 tomorrow, I'd ditch my DF500 for a similar reason (those who insist on using the DF700 on a day-to-day basis for regular tasks that the DF500 is designed for have much stronger arms than I [tongue]).
 
it sounds like you already know the answer to your hypothetical question, now you just have to wait for festool to ANNOUNCE a release date ;)
 
Jason White said:
That’s an easy one. Because the plywood and rip blades for the TS75 are different thicknesses and I’d have to recalibrate the saw for the rail every time I change blades.

Man, I wish I trusted aligning my guide rail to 4 thou.

But in all seriousness, does anyone know definitively if the blade really isn't just offset to compensate for that 0.1mm?
 
I've had my TS60 for several months, upgrading from my third worn-out TS55. Here's my take so far if this helps;

1 - It's a truly lovely saw. There's a very perceptible feel of increased power right out of the box, and although I'm not convinced that an 0.4mm reduction in blade kerf makes that much real-world difference, it definitely doesn't struggle as much when making rip cuts in harder material.

2 - It's way, way smoother and quieter than the TS55. As mentioned above, I've had three, and they all sounded like someone stirring a bucket of nails.

3 - Although a 5mm increase in cut depth may not seem like much - take a look at the original TS60 thread, where I posted some pictures of a countertop replacement job I'd done which involved a 45-degree waterfall bevel at one end of the run. The TS55's bevel cut depth wasn't quite enough, leading to a time-consuming fix- so those few extra mm sure come in handy when you need them.

4 - It feels more robust than the TS55. I can't explain exactly why - it just does. A little more like a football player, rather than a ballerina. The TS55 often felt like that it was right on the edge of its performance envelope somehow, and although I've never had a single site failure since buying my first one in 2004, the new machine doesn't give me 'the fear' in the same way as the old ones often did. It also seems to sit more solidly on the rail.

5 - I absolutely LOVE the fact that the saw will sit on its side whilst changing the blade. 19 years doing a 3-handed balancing act was enough for me. The price of OEM blades is looney-tunes though, and I'm eagerly anticipating good aftermarket ones becoming available. Since I can often wear the edge right off a TS55 blade inside a week, you'll understand why the 160 x 2.2 Trend ones ($13 a pop, and no perceptible difference in cut quality or longevity) were so appealing to me.

6 - Although some guys on here have reservations about the lack of a riving knife, the anti-kickback works great. The saw stops dead its tracks with the tiniest amount of rear-end lift. I have, though, a three-decades-long habit of inserting wedges behind the cut - especially when ripping hardwood with that application's frequent release of tension in the material, and the possibility of the cut closing up on me.

7 - Only two downsides - the same ridiculous floppy hose connector (I replaced it on day #1 with a rigid aftermarket 3D printed item taken off my TS55), and the fact that I've had to modify some of my van racking to accommodate the new 'improved' Systainer3.

Apart from that - nothing. I really like it, and it's a very worthwhile upgrade. With regard to a US release date - the 110-volt version just appeared on the UK website two weeks ago. For those of you who don't know - although we run at 230V, all equipment used on construction sites over here has to run on 110v via a transformer - it's regarded as being less lethal in the event of an accidental cable cut. So the motor's ready and it's in the pipeline. I have no idea what testing and safety hoops Festool have to jump through before releasing a product in NA, but my guess is towards the end of the 3rd quarter this year.

Kevin
 
Just for this post, Festool should name Kevin as the TS60 ambassador.  [big grin]

Everything he said just confirmed what I know about this saw, but I really have to find enough projects to justify buying it (I always have the tool budget for what I want, but I always try to justify it, if it's something over $1,000, based on usage).
 
What really interests me regarding this saw on top of the other features is the compatibility with FS AND FSK rails.
 
Reed Hoyer said:
Jason White said:
That’s an easy one. Because the plywood and rip blades for the TS75 are different thicknesses and I’d have to recalibrate the saw for the rail every time I change blades.

Man, I wish I trusted aligning my guide rail to 4 thou.

But in all seriousness, does anyone know definitively if the blade really isn't just offset to compensate for that 0.1mm?
It’s not offset. The thicker blade will chew off part of your rubber splinter guard and I need that to be precise. 

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Reed Hoyer said:
But in all seriousness, does anyone know definitively if the blade really isn't just offset to compensate for that 0.1mm?

I don't own a TS 75 but I have measured the old 2.2 kerf blades and the newer 1.8 kerf blades for the TS 55 along with the 1.8 kerf blades for the Mafell MT 55. In all cases, the carbide inserts overhang the saw blade plate an equal amount on both sides of the plate, I'd assume the TS 75 follows this pattern.
 
Jason White said:
peacefullyandpatriotically said:
why not use the 75 for plywood and hardwood? if you are looking for a single saw solution, you will have to change out the blade for different material anyways, why not keep the increased depth of cut in the ts75? is there something you don't like with that saw?
That’s an easy one. Because the plywood and rip blades for the TS75 are different thicknesses and I’d have to recalibrate the saw for the rail every time I change blades. It’s also an ancient design that hasn’t been updated in 15 years.
Hi, if you set the the rail to the thicker blades you shoud be ok .i.e swap between saws and blades.Also they make this for all track saw including the new ts60,i have used mine to rip 2x with no rail,alittle reading on toe in setting.https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/seting-toe-in-on-festool-saws/msg190355/#msg190355

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Cheese said:
I don't own a TS 75 but I have measured the old 2.2 kerf blades and the newer 1.8 kerf blades for the TS 55 along with the 1.8 kerf blades for the Mafell MT 55. In all cases, the carbide inserts overhang the saw blade plate an equal amount on both sides of the plate, I'd assume the TS 75 follows this pattern.

Offset was a poor choice of words. For the sake of this discussion I will use inboard to mean the side of the blade that faces the rail and outboard to mean the side of the blade that faces away from the rail. The location of the outboard side is irrelevant because it's not on the keeper side of the cut and it doesn't affect the strip. It would be trivial to align the inboard side of 2 blades with varying kerfs by simply having different thickness plates. A wider kerf blade would have a plate thickness that was less than a thinner kerf blade by half the difference between the kerfs. My question was whether or not it was known, definitively, that that had been ignored.

If the plates are the same thickness, then the amount a 2.6mm kerf blade will take off of a splinter strip set up for the standard 2.4mm blade is 0.1mm. 0.1mm is less than 4 thousandths of an inch. That's less than 3/640 (that's 640, not 64) of an inch. If anyone thinks they're consistently lining up their rail within a tolerance of 3/640 of an inch they've got another thing coming.
 
Jason White said:
Reed Hoyer said:
Jason White said:
That’s an easy one. Because the plywood and rip blades for the TS75 are different thicknesses and I’d have to recalibrate the saw for the rail every time I change blades.

Man, I wish I trusted aligning my guide rail to 4 thou.

But in all seriousness, does anyone know definitively if the blade really isn't just offset to compensate for that 0.1mm?
It’s not offset. The thicker blade will chew off part of your rubber splinter guard and I need that to be precise. 

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That's for sure. Festool should have adjusted the 75's at the factory to kiss the splinter guard the same as the 55 saws. But they didn't.

The owner can adjust the 75 to match but it's a pain to do. The plastic mounting blocks get indented so moving them a tiny amount and getting them to stay put when re-tightening is difficult.
 
peacefullyandpatriotically said:
why not use the 75 for plywood and hardwood? if you are looking for a single saw solution, you will have to change out the blade for different material anyways, why not keep the increased depth of cut in the ts75? is there something you don't like with that saw?

Have you ever used a TS75? That should be enough of a reason not to call it a "single saw solution". They are apparently filled with lead somewhere  [big grin]. I use it when I need it and reach for the TS55 every day. That is my main motivation to get a TS60. There are times when "that little bit extra" is a big deal. Generally, that means bevel cuts. They advertise the 60 as being effectively the same size/weight as the 55, which makes it a no-brainer.
I'll probably sell off the 55 at that point, but who are we kidding, probably not. I'll figure out where to store it and cut down on some blade swaps.
 
woodbutcherbower said:
3 - Although a 5mm increase in cut depth may not seem like much - take a look at the original TS60 thread, where I posted some pictures of a countertop replacement job I'd done which involved a 45-degree waterfall bevel at one end of the run. The TS55's bevel cut depth wasn't quite enough, leading to a time-consuming fix- so those few extra mm sure come in handy when you need them.

Kevin

I can agree with most of Kevin‘s statements.
But isn’t it more than 5mm additional cutting depth?

TS55 was always „55mm OFF the track“
TS60 is „60mm ON the Track“ - Max of 62mm

Kind regards
Uli
 
grobkuschelig said:
woodbutcherbower said:
3 - Although a 5mm increase in cut depth may not seem like much - take a look at the original TS60 thread, where I posted some pictures of a countertop replacement job I'd done which involved a 45-degree waterfall bevel at one end of the run. The TS55's bevel cut depth wasn't quite enough, leading to a time-consuming fix- so those few extra mm sure come in handy when you need them.

Kevin

I can agree with most of Kevin‘s statements.
But isn’t it more than 5mm additional cutting depth?

TS55 was always „55mm OFF the track“
TS60 is „60mm ON the Track“ - Max of 62mm

Kind regards
Uli

The track subtracts 5mm from the cut depth, so I don't understand how you can have 60mm on track and 62mm max.  Something isn't lining up with those numbers.

And it also seems odd that Festool would change the nomenclature for the TS 55, HK 55, TS 75 and HK 85 to mean something different for the TS 60.  Why not just call it the TS 65 if that's the case?
 
I know. But looking at the 3Ds on the Festool website it looks like it, to me:

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