TSO MTR-18

[tjbnwi]

I think that an obvious step would be to discount the Variable angle "set" so that buying the triangle and the adjusting bits together is cheaper than buying the two items separately. Festool often uses this approach.

I doubt that using acrylic would be only 30% the cost of aluminum. Part of the cost is paying down the investment in the R&D. The material used has no influence on that cost. When actually taking the tool to the work etc, I can see that acrylic might have durability issues.

The video on the large octagon did not teach me anything about the accuracy/precision of the system. I knew that the tool would be very good and that is all the video showed. I would like to know if the tool is extremely good and worth the high price. Because the fitting was done on an uneven surface and parts could not be carefully aligned, I could not determine how good the fit actually was.
Perhaps a follow-up will show how the pieces fit together on a good surface.

At least I was not the only one who thought the initial website presentation was not optimal.

Sorry, that octagon is long gone.

I had enough confidence in the prototype that I laid out this counter top.

Tom

 

[Klemm]

OK, fellows, you got our attention.
while we are working the bugs out of the website presentation we can tell you about a decision that became clear by Saturday morning: we will have a new SKU, # 61-333, on our website which includes the basic MTR-18 Triangle along with all the items listed in the "Master Accessory Kit" for a combined sales price of $ 299.95 - along with FREE global shipping during the introductory phase.

We noted some 23 distinct comments on this FOG thread spread over 40 posts which we have cataloged for responses -
We will figure out how to best respond to everyone of those observations and report back.

We are shipping orders from stock according to the sequence we received them.They ship in two separate packages for protection in transit.

-more in the days ahead
    thanks
    Hans and Eric

ps: THIS THREAD MAY BE MOVED TO THE DEALER SECTION OF THIS FORUM

 

[John Stevens]

Reading the TSO Insider email last month announcing new products, I assumed they were new GRS units with additional functions, or accessories for the GRS units.  Adjustable stops along 600mm scales, something like that.  Wishing TSO success with this products, but no demand for it/them from this consumer.  Sorry not be cheering for the new products, but I hope this is useful info anyway.

--John

 

[Claimdude]

Hans,

I don't see the option at the website to purchase the complete system 61-333 for $299.95. Will that be added this week or can we order both the triangle and the accessories at the listed price and you all adjust the price (refund the difference) when you process the order?

Thanks
Jack

 

[Klemm]

Reading the TSO Insider email last month announcing new products, I assumed they were new GRS units with additional functions, or accessories for the GRS units.  Adjustable stops along 600mm scales, something like that.  Wishing TSO success with this products, but no demand for it/them from this consumer.  Sorry not be cheering for the new products, but I hope this is useful info anyway.

--John

@JohnStevens - we are so appreciative of the customer interest for our next new product - like the GRS-16 Accessory for setting Paraallel Guide distance AND squaring of the guide rail in one pass. with the launch of the new Triangles off to a very good (order) start, we can now move forward with the GRS-16 accessory - aiming to ship in the fourth quarter.
Hans and Eric

 

[Klemm]

Hans,

I don't see the option at the website to purchase the complete system 61-333 for $299.95. Will that be added this week or can we order both the triangle and the accessories at the listed price and you all adjust the price (refund the difference) when you process the order?

Thanks
Jack

[member=10616]Claimdude[/member] - any orders placed for the MTR-18 AND Accessory Kit will automatically be refunded the difference until the new SKU and $ 299.95 price are up and running. We did the same automatic refunds thing with the shipping cost errors our system  spit out ( I think Eric will spit the Shipping software out shortly, too, if it keeps making mistakes!)

Hans

 

[Svar]

I wish Festool would learn a thing or two from TSO how to engage with users. I have no interest in this particular product, but the way they listen, adapt, admit shortcomings, and improve in near real time and seems like 24/7 is admirable. Bravo, TSO.

 

[Klemm]

I wish Festool would learn a thing or two from TSO how to engage with users. I have no interest in this particular product, but the way they listen, adapt, admit shortcomings, and improve in near real time and seems like 24/7 is admirable. Bravo, TSO.

[member=15585]Svar[/member] - comments like yours keeps us motivated! - thank you for your kind words
Hans

 

[woodvkk]

What about storage? Does this fit in the TS-55 Systainer?

 

[tjbnwi]

What about storage? Does this fit in the TS-55 Systainer?

No.

Tom

 

[John Stevens]

we are so appreciative of the customer interest for our next new product - like the GRS-16 Accessory for setting Paraallel Guide distance AND squaring of the guide rail in one pass.

Thanks Hans & Eric.  I've owned an MFT and ATF55 for about a dozen years, and I've come to strongly prefer not attaching the guide rail to the table for almost all track-sawing tasks.  Good luck with the new triangles, glad to hear sales are off to a good start.  I figure anything to the success of an innovative company like TSO Products will tend to benefit me over the long run.

--John

 

[jdw101]

It's actually $229.95 for triangle and the accessory set.
[member=10616]Claimdude[/member]  - please help us see where we are not clear about the option and cost so we can correct our website presentation
Please email or let me know how I can call you for an explanation.
Your input would really help us

Hans info@tsoproducts.com

Jack

I like the idea and have been very happy with my GRS-16 PE. Just so I'm clear to get the full angle functionality I would purchase the MTR-18 and the accessory kit for $330?

The price looks pretty steep at first but coming from an engineering background and knowing what the precision machining, the 6061-T6 material and the quality anodizing just no way I could have my local shop make a similar one for that. Keep that in mind when you look at the price not even including the amount of R&D it took to design it.

My square has saved me so much time (and I honestly could have bypassed the Seneca parallel guides if I had seen it first) that it may be worth it to pick it up. Especially since I don't trust the MFT angle tool that much.

So having read all of the posts and looked at the website I still have no definite idea as to what the bits cost.

Could we get a definite answer from [member=59331]TSO Products[/member] as to what you get for how much $$?

I have the rather large and expensive woodpecker square and it has a nifty hanger from the MFT, it would be cool to have something like that.  I am wondering how I am going to have both because I want this one too

 

[jdw101]

One more item: the knobs that attach the square to the MFT are, I assume, standard Festool items, it would be nice to mention that somewhere in the body of the text. Some one may assume that they are also part of the Accessories Kit. [big grin]

From the text in the Master Accessory Set.

"Optionally, you can add SpeedKnobs™ (coming soon) to clamp the dogs in place for added rigidity, or use the M8 knobs included in Festool’s 488030 Clamping Elements kit."

Tom

I've been more than once ticked that I missed a one time tool.  I find myself buying them now even if I am on the fence because I know I can always sell them for what I paid later if it doesn't really work out.    Sadly I end up always wanting to keep them, the MFT square they did which was I think around 300 dollars all in shipped is a beautiful flawless and heavy tool, I could not be more impressed with it.  This thing though has more features, the idea it has pivots and you can fasten it and such makes me want it too.

I am with you, I want something to replace the dumb festool adjustable angle guide for the track though.  Here's hoping something good comes along.

 

[jdw101]

Hmm can't quite figure out what to order, I guess the 229.95  Square and then the 99.95 master accessory kit?  What about the knobs that are coming soon? Can I buy them elsewhere or do I need to wait until they are released?

Thanks, I saw some of it in the thread but want to confirm before pulling the trigger.

 

[tjbnwi]

Hmm can't quite figure out what to order, I guess the 229.95  Square and then the 99.95 master accessory kit?  What about the knobs that are coming soon? Can I buy them elsewhere or do I need to wait until they are released?

Thanks, I saw some of it in the thread but want to confirm before pulling the trigger.

There is the option of the square and master set at a discounted price. From what I understand if you order the 2 items it gets ported to the discounted price.

The knobs for the Clamping Elements work with the TSO dogs.

Tom

 

[jdw101]

Thank you!  Also the dogs that are used in the MFT in that video, they have some type of fastener to the track.. what are those?  That would be handy.

Thanks again!

 

[tjbnwi]

Thank you!  Also the dogs that are used in the MFT in that video, they have some type of fastener to the track.. what are those?  That would be handy.

Thanks again!

That is my video---I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. The track does not attach to any dogs, the rail is on the MFT rail brackets.

Tom

 

[bryan1982]

One more item: the knobs that attach the square to the MFT are, I assume, standard Festool items, it would be nice to mention that somewhere in the body of the text. Some one may assume that they are also part of the Accessories Kit. [big grin]

From the text in the Master Accessory Set.

"Optionally, you can add SpeedKnobs™ (coming soon) to clamp the dogs in place for added rigidity, or use the M8 knobs included in Festool’s 488030 Clamping Elements kit."

Tom

I've been more than once ticked that I missed a one time tool.  I find myself buying them now even if I am on the fence because I know I can always sell them for what I paid later if it doesn't really work out.    Sadly I end up always wanting to keep them, the MFT square they did which was I think around 300 dollars all in shipped is a beautiful flawless and heavy tool, I could not be more impressed with it.  This thing though has more features, the idea it has pivots and you can fasten it and such makes me want it too.

I am with you, I want something to replace the dumb festool adjustable angle guide for the track though.  Here's hoping something good comes along.

Yeay i need an angle attachment to be connected to the guide rail not my mft .

We will keep waiting

Cheers

Bryan

 

[clark_fork]

I am reviewing a plan for a two tier round glass top plant stand, It calls for three interlocking legs. The plans call for a 4° end cut on each arm with each arm  fitting into a 1/2 inch notch cut at a 4° angle. The entire project is shown being done on a table saw with the miter gauge set at 4°. The set up on a table saw requires a dado blade set. It occurs to me that if three arms are put side by side the notches can be plowed out with a router, fence rail and the TSO MTR 18 setting the path at 4°. The end cuts at 4° are a quick fix.

The TSO MTR 18 seems made for this project. I am sorry I can't find a photo to post.

At first I was hard pressed to come up with a project that would require the new offering.

Two questions:

1. Is a 4° angle easily set?

2. As my grandmother would exclaim... "What's the good of it? Where and for what purpose exactly would you use the TSO- MTR-18? 45° trim cuts? Picture framing? Shims?  Stair building? Rafter cutting? One recent poster noted the slope on a vegetable planter was 52°. That would be an easy cut for this tool.

You could spend the  money to make this:

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[jdw101]

    Thank you!  Also the dogs that are used in the MFT in that video, they have some type of fastener to the track.. what are those?  That would be handy.

    Thanks again!

That is my video---I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. The track does not attach to any dogs, the rail is on the MFT rail brackets.

Tom

It was in the photo, maybe I was mistaken, see the highlighted parts, the orange thing that seems like it attaches the dogs to the rail.

http://imgur.com/a/yzU0h