TTS acquiring Saw Stop..?

[ali]

Hopefully might mean Sawstop products become more available outside of USA  [cool]

 

[RKA]

Hopefully might mean Sawstop products become more available outside of USA  [cool]

I think that's what it's all about.  TTS' distribution network can efficiently get this saw to other large markets and support it.  SS has already proven there is room in the market for this saw.  US patent apps may be expiring, not sure how much longer that clock has to run in other large markets.  Since the acquisition is scheduled to complete in July, we might know where this ship is sailing in a matter of months.

 

[RDMuller]

OUS distribution will open vast new markets with TTS knowing how to work so many countries. 

I am not sure what will get accomplished in the US.  We've got to get safety on these contractors machines.  I can't believe how all of the CHEAP contractors who are out there doing home improvement work are having teenagers who have absolutely no idea on safety out there ripping construction material with no splitters, no anti kickback prongs etc.  Fingers close to the blade.  I don't think this move will get the technology on cheaper blades.  I personally have no problem with lawyers suing the heck out of these contractors.  Unfortunately most of them don't have any pockets at all.  Most of them are not the sharpest pencils in the box.

Dewalt  Stanley would be a good one to sue.  They seem to have pockets to buy everything.

I just witnessed something awful last Thursday.  Totally turned off by Dewalt and their dangerous stuff

 

[estley]

I imagine they'll make green replacements for all the red components of the saws and sell them in a systainer for $900, and call it the "saw rebranding kit.... let me know where to sign up

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[Rip Van Winkle]

One of the main reasons some woodworkers won't purchase a SawStop saw is because of the various "selling tactics" Steve Gass the inventor used to try to sell his technology to the woodworking industry. If Gass is out if the picture going forward this might make the saw more palatable to those who would absolutely not purchase a Sawstop saw because of Gass.

Frim past discussions it's been mentioned that the SawStop mechanism may not meet European safety standards, but that the Bosch Reaxx, because it lacks the aluminum break, does. Is Sawstop going to work out an agreement with Bosch to cross license their respective patents, so Festool can sell Sawstop saws in Europe, and Bosch can resume selling the Reaxx in the USA?

I notice the  Festool brand is listed on the PowerToolInstitute website,
http://www.powertoolinstitute.com/pti-pages/mb-member-brand-profiles.asp

But the listing doesn't include the * indicating Festool is a member of the institute. Neither TTS or any of the other TTS companies are listed either. Did Festool/TTS initiate the purchase, or was SawStop up for sale, and TTS was the only company who would make an offer, since Gass and Sawstop sued all the other member of the Power Tool Institute?

 

[KescoNY]

This may explain a lengthy survey festool was conducting at their roadshow few months back. Did anyone else do the survey ?
I was wondering why they seemed to focus mainly on table saw features.

I figured they were going to offer the cms insert in NA.  Maybe a sawstop cms insert  [unsure]

 

[bkharman]

This may explain a lengthy survey festool was conducting at their roadshow few months back. Did anyone else do the survey ?
I was wondering why they seemed to focus mainly on table saw features.

I figured they were going to offer the cms insert in NA.  Maybe a sawstop cms insert  [unsure]

I saw the survey but didn't think it was heading this way. Time will tell but I may have to change my tune on a CMSS insert. If they offered a full contractors saw, not sure I would invest. If TTS had a small license fee to sell the IP, I would be a happy person to see the tech grow

Cheers. Bryan.

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[antss]

I hope they don't paint the sawstop saws green and double the price.

Not immediately. First, Kapex team will make some motor improvements to SawStop.

[big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

now,  that's funny.

I think it's pretty much a given that TTS will stay out of the way at SS.  We haven't seen navy, grey and green livery on the compressors since TTS took over Schneider Druckluft GmbH.  We also won't see tablesaw production moved to Germany either.

We are likely to see the 5-9% annual price increase though.  [wink]

 

[Cincinnati]

Maybe they will design a better sliding table accessory.

 

[peter halle]

I think that the combination of companies will be very interesting to watch evolve.

Regarding the comments on a survey about table saws ; in 2013 or 2014 FESTOOL had a focus group meeting at JLC Live where the attendees were asked all sort of questions regarding table saws and it was evident that they were doing research towards the possible development of a portable contractor type table saw for the North American market.  I wasn't part of the focus group so I can't offer any more specifics.

If you take the normal FESTOOL product development process timeline then add in the acquisition of the company that has hundreds of patents ( the real worth of the company) regarding personal safety devices on saws and other tools then I could see the patent headaches cured and a real possibility of a table saw coming to fruition.

Peter

 

[jeh]

OUS distribution will open vast new markets with TTS knowing how to work so many countries. 

I am not sure what will get accomplished in the US.  We've got to get safety on these contractors machines.  I can't believe how all of the CHEAP contractors who are out there doing home improvement work are having teenagers who have absolutely no idea on safety out there ripping construction material with no splitters, no anti kickback prongs etc.  Fingers close to the blade.  I don't think this move will get the technology on cheaper blades.  I personally have no problem with lawyers suing the heck out of these contractors.  Unfortunately most of them don't have any pockets at all.  Most of them are not the sharpest pencils in the box.

Dewalt  Stanley would be a good one to sue.  They seem to have pockets to buy everything.

I just witnessed something awful last Thursday.  Totally turned off by Dewalt and their dangerous stuff

Don't throw a grenade like this and not follow up with whatever it is you saw. Considering you are listed as a Festool dealer slandering a competing manufacturer is petty and completely unnecessary. It's also fairly typical for retail.

...and suing a company because they have deep pockets or because of how their customers use the saws it is what is wrong with the American legal system. The DeWalt and other manufacturers instruction manuals go into detail on proper usage of the saw and safety devices. Choosing not read or follow them is up to the end user, much like operating a vehicle recklessly or at high rates of speed.

 

[jeh]

I hope they don't paint the sawstop saws green and double the price.

Not immediately. First, Kapex team will make some motor improvements to SawStop.

It took me a second to catch the sarcasm in your post. I definitely do not want Festool tweaking the motor in my SawStop. Another way to look at this is that maybe Festool bought SawStop for their motor designs.

 

[antss]

It's possible since SS has a 110v jobsite saw and we don't hear about it crapping out when used to cut think material.

But that's an expensive fix for a problem that is claimed to not be a problem.  :

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Really?  Industrial motors, single or 3 phase (which I am sure they just use whatever manufacturer of motors gives them the best deal) are not even close to the induction motors in power tools. 

 

[semenza]

Lets not make this into a Kapex motor thread. We have plenty of those.

Seth

 

[glass1]

Let's keep the issue on the safety. Back to the kapex and safety. In my opinion it's the most dangerous scms on the market so adopting flesh sensing tech makes sense. In my opinion why is it so dangerous. 2 reasons, the blade guard is inside the head housing making it close to the blade. If it deflects it catches the blade easily and boom. Secondly one cannot hold the blade guard with ones thumb when doing long compound cuts and/or cuts with a very small off cut. The blade guard hangs up on long cuts and when there is a small off cut the guard will often knock it into the blade and boom it's flying. Hold down clamps are for special cuts or part time hobbyists. In a production environment forget it.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

In 6 years I have never had an issue with the blade guard on my kapex. I am not into pinning/thumbing guards back. So glad that I don't have to use those old makitas anymore that it was the only way you could cut something.

I have cut my index finger twice with a miter saw, nothing can protect me from being stupid and reaching behind the blade.

 

[glass1]

In the 40 years I have owned a pinto the gas tank never blew up must be nothing wrong. All kidding aside every carpenter/woodworker I know outside this forum who owns a kapex even the ones who like it all agree the ergonomics are not good. The trigger safety and blade guard suck. The are clunky at best.

 

[glass1]

One more thing if holding the blade guard back with ones thumb (not pinning it back) is so bad why does the hk and hkc saws have a thumb depress on the guard so you can ...... you guessed it hold the guard up so....... you guessed it ..... it does not hang up and cause a safety issue.

 

[TylerC]

This is definitely exciting and interesting news. There are a lot of questions right now, but I definitely think that this is a very positive move.

I wouldn't anticipate any significant changes any time soon. SawStop has a strong brand in the US market. We don't want to interrupt the system that has made them successful.

Some of you asked about bringing SawStop to Europe or Asia. Here's an answer that I received from HQ:

"Following the take-over, we will look into plans for expansion with SawStop and will put such plans into practice if and to the extent that they are promising to be successful. We will be taking these decisions at a subsequent point in time."