TTS acquiring Saw Stop..?

[copcarcollector]

http://toolguyd.com/sawstop-to-be-acquired-by-festool-parent-company/

 

[Cheese]

Well that's certainly interesting...who'd have thunk.

Maybe the Reaxx will once again see the light of day. TTS could strike up a licensing deal with Bosch just like Tanos now does.

 

[gsdvorak]

Interesting indeed- makes me wonder if this is to get the patents and enter the portable table saw market and offer safety feature, or if they have other innovations in mind.  Time will tell.  Either way, will be watching.

Regards,
Gerald

 

[Kev]

I would have preferred a ground breaking innovation ... not particularly impressed with this!

 

[ChuckM]

Sounds good news to me for these two innovative entities to work together. But SawStop has enjoyed a better customer service reputation than Festool (judging from many comments seen on this forum about lukewarm or lack of responses to service requests). So far, I have had no need for service from either company and I hope it will stay that way, till my tools are done their useful life.

It will be great news if one day Kapex saws are offered with a finger-saving feature.

 

[six-point socket II]

Hi!

Very curious of what the future will hold in terms of this endeavor  [smile]  [smile]  [smile]

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Kev]

Sounds good news to me for these two innovative entities to work together. But SawStop has enjoyed a better customer reputation than Festool (judging many comments seen on this forum about lukewarm or lack of responses to service requests). So far, I have had no need for service from either company and I hope it will stay that way, till my tools are done their useful life.

It will be great news if one day Kapex saws are offered with a finger-saving feature.

This is where I get very confused when people talk about safety ... the biggest danger from a properly used SCMS is not chopping off your finder! I'll also be very interested how a "saw stop feature" will operate on an SCMS ... maybe it'll save your finger by launching the blade straight into your face [big grin]

 

[ChuckM]

This is where I get very confused when people talk about safety ... the biggest danger from a properly used SCMS is not chopping off your finder! I'll also be very interested how a "saw stop feature" will operate on an SCMS ... maybe it'll save your finger by launching the blade straight into your face [big grin]

Finger injuries from using the mitre saws happen; simply google it to find the gruesome pictures or videos. Finger cuts may not be the biggest danger in your book but they are what I am most scared of when using the Kapex, much more than kickback.

I have switched my tablesaw to the SawStop and I'd switch my bandsaw to a SawStop bandsaw, too, if it existed.

 

[Kev]

This is where I get very confused when people talk about safety ... the biggest danger from a properly used SCMS is not chopping off your finder! I'll also be very interested how a "saw stop feature" will operate on an SCMS ... maybe it'll save your finger by launching the blade straight into your face [big grin]

Finger injuries from using the mitre saws happen; simply google it to find the gruesome pictures or videos. Finger cuts may not be the biggest danger in your book but they are what I am most scared of when using the Kapex, ahead of the kickback danger.

Again .. really surprised. Clamp your workpiece and your fingers are no where near that sharp spinning thing. I've seen plenty of youtube videos of saw related injuries and I'm yet to see one where the operator was cut by then blade and wasn't being careless or stupid.

 

[Linbro]

Believe me Kev - very few people even install the clamps/hold downs on their mitre saws, let alone actually use them!

 

[Bob D.]

Believe me Kev - very few people even install the clamps/hold downs on their mitre saws, let alone actually use them!

Same for table saws and bandsaws. How many people run their bandsaw with the blade guard over an inch above the workpiece. The son of a good friend of mine almost cut his thumb off on a old 12" bandsaw. Sliced up his hand between the thumb and index finger about 2 inches because the blade guard was all the way up with ~6 inches of blade exposed. Took years but he has full use of the hand again, and a nice scar to show for his carelessness. Though the fault may really lie with not being taught the safe way to use the tool.

 

[Holmz]

I would have preferred a ground breaking innovation ... not particularly impressed with this!

The Domino and Kapex fall into innovation.
The vacuum, routers, sanders, systainers, belt sander etc all started out as a rebadging effort.

It is in the realm of possibility that TTS could licence the patent to Bosch (etc), but they would hold the patent - so it is at their whim.

 

[antss]

Thinking Bosch is somehow going to strike a deal now that TTS is the owner is a bit naive.

Commonality of the country both companies are based in is just not going to win the day. Bosch didn't want to license from SS originally. Do you think the price is going to be less now that TTS has to factor in their new debt in acquiring SS ? 

Clock is ticking on the patents anyway, and this deal with take a while to actually consummate.  Leaving Bosch with even less time to wait until re inntroducing their saw back in the USA. 

This is more about diversification on the part of TTS than it is anything else.

 

[ChuckM]

Believe me Kev - very few people even install the clamps/hold downs on their mitre saws, let alone actually use them!

I have yet to see a woodworker using the clamping unit that comes with the non-Kapex saws. The attached photo shows a saw that has been used in the past few days by my neighbor...with the clamp never engaged.

When I use the Kapex, I always clamp the workpiece down even if it is four feet long  EXCEPT when the piece is too short to be clamped down. In that case, I use a shop-made hold-down, taking zero risk with the blade. After all, the clamping unit is a $118 accessory and not using it is stupid from the financial perspective.

The finger-saving feature is an insurance policy, just like the airbags and seat belts as far as I am concerned. Before and after the SawStop purchase, I have had a zero saw (any saw, not just the tablesaw) injury record. Correction: I did suffer some minor cuts from using the handsaws.

I have seen videos showing some well-known woodworkers using a mitre saw (one was the Kapex) cutting moudling or a piece with their hand/fingers close to the line of fire (i.e. inside the danger zone which is marked on the saw table/bed!

 

[Holmz]

Thinking Bosch is somehow going to strike a deal now that TTS is the owner is a bit naive.
...

Correct. There is no moral or legal basis that they requires them to provide finger saving technology. They are in a business of selling tools and protecting their legal interests.

It is theoretically possible that a deal can be struck, but they (TTS) have the barrel ready for whomever wants to license the technology. In the end it is the customer who has their turn WRT the barrel.

 

[junk731]

Now that's funny, what do you think, are they going to move the operation from China. Hopefully they will improve the blade destroying, antiquated tech.

John

 

[amt]

I hope they don't paint the sawstop saws green and double the price. 

 

[Svar]

I hope they don't paint the sawstop saws green and double the price.

Not immediately. First, Kapex team will make some motor improvements to SawStop.

 

[Cheese]

Not immediately. First, Kapex team will make some motor improvements to SawStop.

[thumbs up] [dead horse] [thumbs up]

 

[ChuckM]

Not immediately. First, Kapex team will make some motor improvements to SawStop.

[mad] --->  [big grin] ;D

I am going to bolt my SawStop down on the shop floor, and chain the motor to the saw, its motor being the Pre-TTS (or Pre-Festool) version. If people couldn't steal my saw (400 lbs), they could steal my motor!