Under appreciated Festools RAS 115, Trion, MFS

BMH

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I was reading the post about the cabinet class and was happy to read the comments about the RAS 115. It is one of the most under appreciated sander in the Festool line up. My first project with it was removing 8 coats of latex paint from old growth T&G wall paneling 1x12, 9 foot ceiling. I was able to remove 25 sq f of paint an hour and left the wood under intact. A quick sand with the ETS 150/5 with 120 and 150 grit and the wall was back to it's original splendor. I have used it on different type of projects since then and just love it.

The second under appreciated tool is the Trion. I am a hobbyist who works alone and I spent a weekend framing a deck addition and railing 6 feet high. The design involved cutting and notching 4x4 and 4x6 lumber. At the end of the day, I realized that I did all of the cuts using the Trion with S145/4fsg blade and a carpenter square as guide. It was a portable band saw, speeding up the project and limiting the amount of lifting of these post and beams. I agree that the chip guard design is poor and limits the visibility somewhat when doing fine cuts but a little redesign by festool engineers could solve that problem quickly.

Last but not least the MFS guide system is an "intellectual" tool that requires reading Jerry and Brice reviews, multiple times, to start to realize the potential of it. I was not a fan of routers till I bought the 1400. The recent addition of the MFS has made many project easier, faster and safer. The learning curve and thought one needs to put into understand this system is well worth it, saving time and money on future project.

It was interesting that my dealer, who does a good job, didn't understand the potential of these tools and was not recommending as they should for the projects I had in mind.

Bruce

P.S. My Panasonic cordless drill is also a under appreciated tool
 
I notch 6x6's for decks with a chainsaw.  No, I am not kidding.  You should see some of the double shoulder notches I have to make some times.

It's a tiny little Stihl 011.

And you are right, the RAS is an animal. 

It is one powerful sander.
 
I have 2 of the 3 under appreciated tools that you mention and (now) I am likely to purchase the third. 

I actually have the pre-Trion Festool jig saw and I use it A LOT.  It was my second Festool purchase and was very instrumental in selling me on the quality of Festool tools.

I won the MFS in a contest here just about a year ago and, thanjs to Brice and Jerry, I have been able to put it to many uses.

And, the more I hear about the RAS 115, the more I want it.

 
I think in the right hands, and for certain jobs, the RAS will shine. A few of my customers use it for cabinet scribing.
I would also add to the list of Festool's underappreciated tools, or "hidden gems", the Deltex DX 93 E sander and the HL 85 E Planer.

Bob
 
Bob,

I think in the right hands, and for certain jobs, the RAS will shine.

That is true for all Festool but Why the HL 85 E planer is a "hidden Gems"

Bruce
 
Bob Marino said:
I think in the right hands, and for certain jobs, the RAS will shine. A few of my customers use it for cabinet scribing.
I would also add to the list of Festool's underappreciated tools, or "hidden gems", the Deltex DX 93 E sander and the HL 85 E Planer.

Bob
Bob, I agree that the Deltex DX 93 is great.  It's one of my 3 Festool sanders.  So, I have 3 out of the 5 tools that have been  nominated as hidden gems.
 
Frank,

Of course you probably won't need to do this particular job for quite some time but when you need to refinish your cabin again I suspect an RAS would make the job even faster. Let's face it, the next time you will be a little older, and the RAS is quite a bit lighter than a Rotex and much easier on the hands and arms when you are working against gravity. With the meticulous records you keep on 'time spent' we can all learn about 'time saved' when using this machine.
 
Greg, I doubt that I will ever need to sand the cabin right down again.  Next summer, I plan to lightly sand the first side that I did, then put on another coat.  I plan to continue with this cycle for as long as I am looking after the place.

But,  I was thinking that I should probably have used a RAS 115 in the first place.
 
BMH said:
Bob,

I think in the right hands, and for certain jobs, the RAS will shine.

That is true for all Festool but Why the HL 85 E planer is a "hidden Gems"

Bruce

Well, why it's a "gem" is because the spiral blade makes for an incrediblebly smoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooth surface,ability to quickly change planer heads to get totally different surfaces, blade changing is fast and foolproof, ability for unlimited rabbets depth, ability to plane right up to the surfaces edge, and the most innovative feature of all, IMHO is the ability to (with proper accessories) be used as a small (but accurate) jointer. Goes without saying , dust extaction is superb.
Why it's a "hidden gem" is because it's rarely promoted advertised. This is probably because most hobbyists rarely use hand planers. But this planer is head and shoulder, several cuts (pun intended) above the rest of the pack.

Bob
 
This might be a dumb question.....What's the difference between a RAS and an RO150 in rotary mode?
 
4000 RPM to 660 RPM

I'd also add one thing to what Bob said about the HL 850... It's pretty quiet as well as smooth.

Tom
 
Brice Burrell said:
BTW, Matthew Schenker wrote a nice review of the RAS115, check it here.

What happened to Matthew anyway? Why isn't he active anymore? Is he totally disillusioned by the forum he build to what it is today, or did somebody scare him away?
 
Alex said:
Brice Burrell said:
BTW, Matthew Schenker wrote a nice review of the RAS115, check it here.

What happened to Matthew anyway? Why isn't he active anymore? Is he totally disillusioned by the forum he build to what it is today, or did somebody scare him away?

I  can only surmise that Matt will jump back in when he feels comfortable enough/interested enough to post again; I doubt he's scared ;). I AM ONLY SURMISING, NOTHING MORE. I do wish him well.

Bob
 
Matthew is fine.  He is busy catching up on things that got put on the back burner but he still visits.  He'll be back.  He's playing with his Festools.  ;D

Peter
 
peter halle said:
Matthew is fine.  He is busy catching up on things that got put on the back burner but he still visits.  He'll be back.  He's playing with his Festools.   ;D

Peter

Good to hear. Thanks for the update.

Bob
 
Showing my ignorance the ras is basically a 4 1/2" dustless cup grinder with a sanding pad on it?

Is the pad a 5/8" 11 tpi thread size?  If it is you could probably add a diamond cup wheel option  this would expand the RAS to a whole new group of trades....

I use my Hilti and diamond wheel all the time for RAS type work  I was shocked at how quickly it would strip off stuff and leave smooth  think 60 grit wood.  of course the wood i am thinking is subfloors that have had underlayment striped off leaving a residue of Glue, mortar, Staples, nails and Screws  [Scared]  needless to say diamonds are my best friends those days too Thumbs Up.

 
Charimon said:
Showing my ignorance the ras is basically a 4 1/2" dustless cup grinder with a sanding pad on it?

Is the pad a 5/8" 11 tpi thread size?  If it is you could probably add a diamond cup wheel option  this would expand the RAS to a whole new group of trades....

It's metric. M14, I believe. 
 
So I just have to make sure the things I want to thread on it are metric.

I need to find a big wire wheel brush for it, I am not sure why but, it would be neat.

I could use it to distress flooring, or clean the grill. [cool]
 
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