upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI

Don't knock yourself.  I don't think any of us mentioned it by name.

edit: Just to tag it, it's CSC SYS 50 EBI (video title is wrong as can be seen in the pic itself)
 
This is no carpentry saw. That one is clear.

Looks like all the rumours of a "Shaper saw" were true indeed. Just not what anyone expected. Pretty confident the software and electromechanics are from the Shaper know-how.

Having a tracksaw system, the biggest advantage of a tablesaw is precise work on small pieces - exactly what this tool shall address.

IMO a great product to complement the tracksaw series. We just need a TS85 or the HK 85 being more accessible for the US folk and one is fully covered. Only shame is the CT-SYS cannot take the 8Ah bats ... but I guess this is expected to be paired more with the CTC Mini/Midi.

For those complaining of battery-only - just think how long a TSC lasts on one charge. I see no issue /except cost/ with this even in one-man-shop use. Quite the contrary. Any cord avoided in a small shop is a blessing.

That said, my smell test says this is a patent-rich thingie. We are not likely to see similar product from the competition for the next 20 years ..
 
A youtube comment says it will be €2400 excl taxes.

Would almost be perfect for me, besides the cordless part. I have some corded FT tools but no cordless. Using a pickup (with shell), stacking is quite important so also wondering how the trolley works storage wise.
 
Bob D. said:
Watching the video again from the first post it looks like the dial controls both blade height and angle.
What I found really neat is that you set the height, then as you change the angle, the blade extends to compensate. So whatever angle you choose, you know it will still stay the same height, without getting a calculator out or resetting the height a second time.

(I’m not a tablesaw expert, so I’m not sure if this is available elsewhere — I’ve never seen it.)

There are a lot of really well thought-out features here, especially for such a small form-factor.

I have no space (European city; whaddyagonnaddo) so my shop is all living out of systainers. I’ve been looking for something this size for a long time. I had a Proxxon FET, but gave it away after christening it “Aproxxon” in despair. I now have a Byrnes Model saw and it’s amaaaazingly accurate, but it’s very tiny.

This new machine hits my tech / precision/ size buttons all at once.
 
The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
 
Svar said:
The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?

I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.

To me this was a no-go here. It seems they were somehow limited with the blade dia - vibrations possibly - so the cut capacity is pretty low as it is.

On the other hand. An official accessory plate that would attach to extend the table and a shim on the body may be possible - if there is the market.
 
They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.
 
Coen said:
They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.
Well, Bluetooth is a communication protocol. Nothing less, nothing more. It allows any smartphone these days to work with the BT Batteries. No need for a "Festool receiver" to do that.

It is the same as devices trasmitting voice being called "a Phone". It does not mean that the guys using Phones can communicate though. One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understabnd the other speaking Farsi (Festool).

Don't blame the Phone!
;)
 
mino said:
Don't blame the Phone!
;)
Well, technically it is the fault of the Bluetooth standard in as much as it doesn’t offer a profile designed specifically for power tool/battery communication. This omission forced tool manufacturers to create proprietary solutions.

However, ultimately I would actually lay the blame at the feet of the tool manufacturers, as they could still have worked together to create a shared way of communicating using the existing profiles, or even lobbied the Bluetooth SIG to add a new profile.

I suspect they have no motivation to do that though. They have little to gain by allowing communication between their devices and those from other manufacturers.
 
Packard said:
But I object to management imposing an artificial constraint on engineering.

[...]

Instead of saying, “I want you to design the very best, light weight portable table saw that you can.”

They said, “I want you to design the very best light weight table saw that will fit in a Systainer.”

[...]

Festool is noted for its use of the Systainer.  That does not mean that they should hobble their engineers with an artificial constraint that compromises performance.

Much better, to have engineering say, “This is the very best, lightest and most competent portable saw we could come up with; it performs as well as any full-sized contractors’ saw.  But you will have to create a special sized Systainer, because we could not put all that capability in a standard sized Systainer.”
Could be good if one day they say "It's been so successful, now make us an XXL version."  [big grin]
 
I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]
 
ElectricFeet said:
I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
 
Hi, he had one of  energy sets on top before he began

Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
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It might only be able to be at the base of a stack (reasonable — it’ll definitely be the heaviest) and it’ll probably be a non-standard height, but otherwise it seems to integrate fine with other systainers.
 

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ElectricFeet said:
I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

Couldn't agree more with Proxxon, while they are very nicely designed tools and they do work well, it's the ludicrous on/off cycle that renders them almost useless! Reminds me of the first time we used the MIL's Bamix and burnt the motor out after only a few minutes of light use, when she told us you aren't meant to run it for than 20-30 seconds at a time, my first thought was "what idiot designed that?".

And yes, a Kapex similar in size to the old ELU PS174 but with festool's build quality would be awesomely useful!
 
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