VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?

[squall_line]

Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?

Keep in mind that there's a difference between "couldn't obtain certification" and "weren't willing to go through what it would have taken to obtain certification".

This all occurred when Shane worked at Festool, and he mentioned that it "didn't pass UL Certification" and that a reason was provided but he wasn't aware of what it was at the time.
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My guess is "didn't pass" became "yeah, we're not going to do that."  The nice thing is, they still took the time to re-design it to have a different frame and tub and got UL certification with the new design instead.

 

[elfick]

Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?

Just wild speculation for the fun of it, but I'd guess it failed because the containing device could be easily opened while in use but couldn't be grounded.
Though that would make me wonder how the air compressors sold in systainers get certification... there must have been another piece to it.

 

[Coen]

Just wild speculation for the fun of it, but I'd guess it failed because the containing device could be easily opened while in use but couldn't be grounded.

Well yeah, it should be class II even if you open the Systainer.

Though that would make me wonder how the air compressors sold in systainers get certification... there must have been another piece to it.

They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

 

[MikeGE]

They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?

 

[Coen]

They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?

I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 

[elfick]

They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?

Nope, that's exactly what he was referencing (though he was talking about the air compressors when he said they don't use them). It was the speculation that the ungrounded plug-it cord was the reason that model of vac sys didn't get approved in the US.

 

[MikeGE]

I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

[big grin]  I bought the VAC SYS last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

 

[squall_line]

I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

[big grin]  I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe [member=8955]Coen[/member] is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

 

[elfick]

I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

[big grin]  I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe [member=8955]Coen[/member] is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

Would it be a "decompressor"  [big grin]

 

[Coen]

I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

[big grin]  I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe [member=8955]Coen[/member] is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

Yeah, so no class II on those.

 

[Runhard]

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?

 

[Runhard]

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?

I was able to place an order with BIS Festools-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.

 

[Darius]

Just placed pre-order with them as well.

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?

I was able to place an order with BIS Festool’s-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.

 

[Runhard]

Just placed pre-order with them as well.

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?

I was able to place an order with BIS Festool’s-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.

Great!

I also ordered the accessory kit and mounting plate for the MFT. I was thinking about an extra foot valve but didn’t know what all was needed to control the two modules independently, if that’s even possible.

 

[Cheese]

For independent control, you’ll need 2 foot valves.

 

[Runhard]

For independent control, you’ll need 2 foot valves.

Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

 

[BarneyD]

I bought the complete set a couple of months ago. The foot valve comes with one of the ports plugged. But included with the set is a short length of hose and a valve which can be attached to the foot valve. If using only one base, you can close off that valve. If you want to add a second foot valve, just mount that short piece of hose/valve on the second one and you're golden.

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[Cheese]

Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

It all depends upon how Festool offers the foot valve when it's sold as a stand-alone item. When bundled with the SE1, its semi/tethered to the SE1 and has the second port plugged.

However when it's sold on it's own...who knows what's needed. My guess would be that both ports are plugged to prevent contamination. However, that could then become an issue because the face gaskets that are needed for the port plugs/connectors are not available for sale.

You'll need to talk with Festool customer service to ascertain exactly how the foot valve is leaving the service department.

 

[squall_line]

Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

It all depends upon how Festool offers the foot valve when it's sold as a stand-alone item. When bundled with the SE1, its semi/tethered to the SE1 and has the second port plugged.

However when it's sold on it's own...who knows what's needed. My guess would be that both ports are plugged to prevent contamination. However, that could then become an issue because the face gaskets that are needed for the port plugs/connectors are not available for sale.

You'll need to talk with Festool customer service to ascertain exactly how the foot valve is leaving the service department.

The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

 

[Cheese]

The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?

Early web page when it was first offered
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