VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details

[GarryMartin]

And, I think it will come with two chargers, but I'm not positive. There's room for two batteries and two of the compact TCL chargers in the Systainer.

If you take a look at the PDF, there is a Plus and a Plus/XL version. The Plus version seems to have two batteries and one charger; the Plus/XL two batteries and two chargers.

 

[fshanno]

This TSC saw is the perfect candidate for a battery emulating power supply.  Then you wouldn't have to choose between corded and cordless.  

And of course once the emulator is on the market the decision about which Carvex to buy ceases to exist.

The emulating power supply would come in the form of a battery charger with a lead to the tool.  You'd have two different adapters.  One for the TSC and Carvex that would be minimal in size and weigh as little as possible.  The adapter for the drills would have a chamber so you could make it as heavy as you want using shot.  

Now it wouldn't be cheap but it would surely make the Festool line more attractive.

How about a CT vac with the battery emulator/charger built in?  Cool huh?

 

[Stone Message]

This TSC saw is the perfect candidate for a battery emulating power supply.  Then you wouldn't have to choose between corded and cordless.  

And of course once the emulator is on the market the decision about which Carvex to buy ceases to exist.

The emulating power supply would come in the form of a battery charger with a lead to the tool.  You'd have two different adapters.  One for the TSC and Carvex that would be minimal in size and weigh as little as possible.  The adapter for the drills would have a chamber so you could make it as heavy as you want using shot.  

Now it wouldn't be cheap but it would surely make the Festool line more attractive.

How about a CT vac with the battery emulator/charger built in?  Cool huh?

This is an interesting idea. The part that goes to the tool should plug into the battery compartment and so it would fit every tool. If the CT option is taken then the auto start feature must be preserved.

Well done.

Peter

 

[Saskataper]

"How about a CT vac with the battery emulator/charger built in?  Cool huh?"

There is a new Hilti hybrid vac that runs off 2 batteries or a mains supply, I saw a YouTube vid of French reps playing with it.

 

[Brice Burrell]

You can see the two batteries in the picture - presumably both 18 v ?

How does the dust bag work? Is it paper and gets thrown away or cloth and gets emptied?

Like I said, runs off either a single or dual batteries for a total potential of 36v. I believe it uses either 15v or 18v batteries but not 12v, probably due to lack of ample juice to power it adequately.

The dust bag is cloth with a zipper. There's an integrated cap that can be used to cap it off when not attached to the saw. The dust port has been redesigned on the TSC so that the "nozzle" can be disconnected and the dust bag can attach with a positive locking mechanism rather than sliding on.

Some of the final refinements are different than the prototype tool I've used and I haven't seen the final production model in person, only photos.

So I assume the new dust bad isn't going to work on the corded TS saws??

 

[msc]

I currently have the fein multi master and i would buy the festool over the fein super cut, due to plug it cable, t lot case, the extra accessories i.e. plunge base, but i need 110v and it seems festool are not producing 110v  versions of the very latest tools i.e. quadrill, domino xl. Hope this will change.

As to the TS55c i would probably buy one, but it seems like they are only available as some sort of set. I would want a body only version, as i have a T18 drill set, pro tool 18v PDC drill, and have just bought the festool drywall set so i have enough batteries and chargers. I also fancy the sds drill but again it seems like its only available in a set, and if a cordless version of the vecturo came out, i would be interested but in body only.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

So I assume the new dust bad isn't going to work on the corded TS saws??

Brice, I have used a prototype model, not a final production model. The dust bag connector appears to have changed based on the photos I have. So, I can't answer that question definitively. If you want a dust bag for your TS, just use the one made for the HL planer. http://festoolusa.com/power-tool-accessories/planers/other-accessories/chip-collection-bag-484509

 

[Stone Message]

So I assume the new dust bad isn't going to work on the corded TS saws??

Brice, I have used a prototype model, not a final production model. The dust bag connector appears to have changed based on the photos I have. So, I can't answer that question definitively. If you want a dust bag for your TS, just use the one made for the HL planer. http://festoolusa.com/power-tool-accessories/planers/other-accessories/chip-collection-bag-484509

That is such a good tip Shane.

Bit late for me now...I am going to a job site tomorrow (remedial work but not my fault) and am taking the TS just in case but am not bothering with the CT (I am going by car to save time).

That bag would also be useful when it is a pain to get the CT close enough when you only have a very small cut to do (in the attic/basement/up a ladder).

Peter

 

[fshanno]

This TSC saw is the perfect candidate for a battery emulating power supply.  Then you wouldn't have to choose between corded and cordless.  

And of course once the emulator is on the market the decision about which Carvex to buy ceases to exist.

The emulating power supply would come in the form of a battery charger with a lead to the tool.  You'd have two different adapters.  One for the TSC and Carvex that would be minimal in size and weigh as little as possible.  The adapter for the drills would have a chamber so you could make it as heavy as you want using shot.  

Now it wouldn't be cheap but it would surely make the Festool line more attractive.

How about a CT vac with the battery emulator/charger built in?  Cool huh?

This is an interesting idea. The part that goes to the tool should plug into the battery compartment and so it would fit every tool. If the CT option is taken then the auto start feature must be preserved.

Well done.

Peter

Yes!  This is another big benefit!  The plate that plugs in to the saw can weigh practically nothing! 

And there HAS to be some kind of wire running from the saw to the CT to tell the vac to turn on and off right?.  Oh, it could be radio but why not provide power while we're at it?

It would be nice if Festool did this but it could be totally third party.  Imagine one programmable emulator that could mimic the batteries in all the popular cordless power tool lines!  And there would be instructions on how to hollow out and adapt used up batteries.

Right now laboratory quality programmable battery emulators cost thousands.  But a mass market device tuned exclusively for power tools might cost only a few hundred. 

What about all those cordless vacs?  The Sharks and the Dysons and so on.  The excellent new Dyson DC59 would go from being the vac that reviewers say "almost replaces your heavy corded upright, but not quite" to the vac that "most definitely does replace your corded upright"

On the other hand.  Surely we aren't the first to envision this.  If it was possible it would have already been done.

 

[TelcoRandy]

I only own a multimaster but I believe the blades are the same.  Not personally in the market for a new multi tool but this is probably 2 years from hitting na. Be interesting to see more details none the less.

I just checked the Fein website, the Supercut and Multimaster blades are different.
http://www.fein.ca/en_ca/oscillating/supercut-construction/fein-professional-set-interior-construction-0284162/
http://www.multimaster.info/en_ca/accessories/

This TSC saw is the perfect candidate for a battery emulating power supply.  Then you wouldn't have to choose between corded and cordless.  

And of course once the emulator is on the market the decision about which Carvex to buy ceases to exist.

The emulating power supply would come in the form of a battery charger with a lead to the tool.  You'd have two different adapters.  One for the TSC and Carvex that would be minimal in size and weigh as little as possible.  The adapter for the drills would have a chamber so you could make it as heavy as you want using shot.  

Now it wouldn't be cheap but it would surely make the Festool line more attractive.

How about a CT vac with the battery emulator/charger built in?  Cool huh?

This is an interesting idea. The part that goes to the tool should plug into the battery compartment and so it would fit every tool. If the CT option is taken then the auto start feature must be preserved.

Well done.

Peter

Yes!  This is another big benefit!  The plate that plugs in to the saw can weigh practically nothing! 

And there HAS to be some kind of wire running from the saw to the CT to tell the vac to turn on and off right?.  Oh, it could be radio but why not provide power while we're at it?

It would be nice if Festool did this but it could be totally third party.  Imagine one programmable emulator that could mimic the batteries in all the popular cordless power tool lines!  And there would be instructions on how to hollow out and adapt used up batteries.

Right now laboratory quality programmable battery emulators cost thousands.  But a mass market device tuned exclusively for power tools might cost only a few hundred. 

What about all those cordless vacs?  The Sharks and the Dysons and so on.  The excellent new Dyson DC59 would go from being the vac that reviewers say "almost replaces your heavy corded upright, but not quite" to the vac that "most definitely does replace your corded upright"

On the other hand.  Surely we aren't the first to envision this.  If it was possible it would have already been done.

Maybe Rick Chistopherson could chime in on this? He's an electrical engineer if my memory serves correct. I'm no electronics expert but if you had an AC -> DC power supply you may be able to expect this...
Just from memory a TS55R is 1200 watts of power, at 36V that would work out to be 33amps (I'm assuming the TSC55 has similar power consumption). So your power cable if it's long is going to be a much thicker gauge (maybe 10 gauge for a short cord? 8 for a longer one?) and you would need a large power supply hooked up on one end of it. It wouldn't be sealed because it would likely need to be fan cooled, it would kind of be like connecting a large computer power supply to your track saw.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX29515
On the other hand, maybe it wouldn't need to be fan cooled because it wouldn't be under continuous use, it's not like you would hold the trigger on your track saw for 2 minutes straight. Mirka has a DC power supply for their sanders so you can see here what you may expect:
http://d2amilv9vi9flo.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/mirka.jpg
But the Mirka doesn't need 1200watts of power so imagine it with a larger power supply/power cable.

 

[Saskataper]

Hilti did it.

 

[fshanno]

Hilti did it.

And so has Ryobi.  40v cordless lawn tools - mower, line trimmer, blower, chain saw, etc.  No vac yet but I'm sure it's soon to follow.

 

[fshanno]

Maybe Rick Chistopherson could chime in on this? He's an electrical engineer if my memory serves correct. I'm no electronics expert but if you had an AC -> DC power supply you may be able to expect this...
Just from memory a TS55R is 1200 watts of power, at 36V that would work out to be 33amps (I'm assuming the TSC55 has similar power consumption). So your power cable if it's long is going to be a much thicker gauge (maybe 10 gauge for a short cord? 8 for a longer one?) and you would need a large power supply hooked up on one end of it. It wouldn't be sealed because it would likely need to be fan cooled, it would kind of be like connecting a large computer power supply to your track saw.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX29515
On the other hand, maybe it wouldn't need to be fan cooled because it wouldn't be under continuous use, it's not like you would hold the trigger on your track saw for 2 minutes straight. Mirka has a DC power supply for their sanders so you can see here what you may expect:
http://d2amilv9vi9flo.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/mirka.jpg
But the Mirka doesn't need 1200watts of power so imagine it with a larger power supply/power cable.

Yes, the power cord will have to be very special.  It will probably have to be impedance tuned so that nothing about it doesn't look like a battery.  Cause the unit will have to be at the other end, just like the Merka you mention.  I doubt that the unit would have to be fan cooled, but it would be large with heat sinks.  But so what, it will be sitting on the CT vac. 

The thing might even need to actually appear to drain so it is perfectly battery like.  A practical application of this are tricked out little home made power supplies that guitar guys are putting on their effects pedals.  They are meant to simulate the way a dying 9 volt battery affects the circuit.  And that can actually be desirable apparently.

You can Google this.  Guys have actually rigged standard 18v power supplies to old cordless drills with used up batteries.  Even 4 amps will actually run the drill, sort of.  One guy used an old transformer from a microwave.  He hooked it up to a bridge rectifier and ran a cordless drill.

And I was just thinking that Festool is certainly using the exact thing we are talking about in it's design facilities.  Duh!  Surely they employ AC powered replicas of the standard Festool 18v Li batteries for testing.  All that has to happen is miniaturize and package for the market.

Talk about enhancing a product line!  Talk about leapfrogging the competition!  Talk about selling fewer batteries!  Oops, strike that last one.

 

[festnoob]

Well I'm not blown away by either of those and I was expecting to be!

I'm also less than impressed with the rubbish MFT/3 station for the new Edge Bander.

C'mon Festool ... I don't want to think you've had your moment in the sun [mad] [sad]

This is how I felt with the Carvex and req

 

[andy5405]

I'm surprised at the people that say that they are disappointed that Festool haven't improved on the Multimaster. The Supercut has always been a massive step up from the Multimaster, it's in a completely different league. They have also added a whole bunch of useful accessories as well. I also find it completely unsurprising that they haven't added DC when they already sell so many dedicated sanders, why muddy the waters and negatively affect sander sales?

I find the post interesting but have no interest in a purchase. I just replaced my Multimaster after it died for a second time. The repair shop I contacted certainly had a lot of experience repairing Multimasters. I briefly looked at the Supercut but it was out of my league on price and I don't think you can get aftermarket blades for the Supercut.

I would like to be the first to guess the UK Festool price of the Vecturo at £480 for the basic tool plus the cost of a good foreign holiday to buy all the accessories.

For the addicts it's a great quality tool that far surpasses the quality of the Multimaster, it will be expensive so it will satisfy all those who need the guilty pleasure aspect of buying a Festool, it's green and comes in a systainer, it has a whole bunch of accessories to lust after once the rush from the initial purchase fades away offering continued retail therapy opportunities, and the blades will be super expensive which will offer endless opportunities to moan about something once you realise that the tool is superb quality.

From what I can see Festool have ticked all the necessary boxes on this one and have been innovative. Take a rock solid already proven body that is way better than the MM (super smart move), paint it green, add a bunch of innovative accessories which greatly enhace the useability and effectiveness of the tool. Isn't that what everyone asked for and what is it that Festool have missed out?

Anticipation is a funny thing and can often be better than the main event. I hope I'm not disappointed when I meet Kylie, anyone who can spend 50 pence in a charity shop on a pair of gold hotpants and look that good should be made illegal!

 

[John Bates]

Andy5405, WSE do adapters that fit the Supercut and take their range of aftermarket blades.

 

[Frank Pellow]

I'm surprised at the people that say that they are disappointed that Festool haven't improved on the Multimaster. 

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From what I can see Festool have ticked all the necessary boxes on this one and have been innovative. Take a rock solid already proven body that is way better than the MM (super smart move), paint it green, add a bunch of innovative accessories which greatly enhace the useability and effectiveness of the tool. Isn't that what everyone asked for and what is it that Festool have missed out?

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I'm not disappointed, just surprised.

I don't see what you have listed as innovation.  If, what I have heard and seen so far is correct, Festool has simply come up with a SuperCut clone.  I hope that I am wrong about this.

 

[Kev]

To me this certainly falls into a wait and see category. I'm in no rush to cash my Fein and jump at this one.

I'm surprised Festool has seemed to ignore DC on this and that the plug-it looks like a "whoops, what about the plug-it lead?" after thought.

The plunge accessories for careful cutting of holes in critical pieces it a nice idea.

From past innovations, Festool has set my expectations high [sad]

 

[jonathan-m]

Well the TTI group seems a lot like Apple in this regard. They look for good ideas, buy everything of interest up and dress it up in a nicer looking and behaving system than the orginal is.
Add a serious marketing effort to that and you have a formula for success.
This is not to minimize things or detract from the companies efforts regarding their own developed innovations though.

 

[tazprime38]

Andy5405, WSE do adapters that fit the Supercut and take their range of aftermarket blades.
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These WSE adaptors if used may not allow you to use the  new plunge frame accessories as the cutting end of the blade may not line up correctly with the frame.

I wonder if these accessories will work with the fein supercut and with after market adaptors withe the multimaster?