very high cool factor..........

[Matthew Schenker]

Monte, Per,
I read John's blog a couple of days after it was posted.  That, and Monte's post, are the reasons I wrote to John -- it seemed that what he was expressing in his blog was a similar sentiment I have experienced when speaking about Festool in other forums (which I no longer do, by the way).  Even though his product is not specifically related to Festool, I sensed a kind of connection.

Like most of us here in this forum, I've always believed that the Festool system represents a way of working more than just a set of tools, a challenge to some basic assumptions.  I sensed the same attitude from John and the Jointmaker Pro.  I'm betting it's no coincidence that the Jointmaker Pro has struck a chord with this forum.

Matt

 

[Michael Kellough]

Monte, Per,
I read John's blog a couple of days after it was posted.  That, and Monte's post, are the reasons I wrote to John -- it seemed that what he was expressing in his blog was a similar sentiment I have experienced when speaking about Festool in other forums (which I no longer do, by the way).  Even though his product is not specifically related to Festool, I sensed a kind of connection.

Like most of us here in this forum, I've always believed that the Festool system represents a way of working more than just a set of tools, a challenge to some basic assumptions.  I sensed the same attitude from John and the Jointmaker Pro.  I'm betting it's no coincidence that the Jointmaker Pro has struck a chord with this forum.

Matt

Festools are to the WWTaliban as Shock and Awe was to the.....nevermind.

I can appreciate the conceptual position of the WWTaliban with regard to risk, to paraphrase, "without risk there is no craftsmanship". But, I just want to get the job done without waste or injury, and without breathing dust. And that is where the Jointmaker and Festool are kin.

 

[nickao]

Well guys I am getting this instead of the Kapex and that will be on the back burner for awhile. I will let you all know if it is as good as it looks. I will purchase the day it comes out.

nickao

 

[Michael Kellough]

Well guys I am getting this instead of the Kapex and that will be on the back burner for awhile. I will let you all know if it is as good as it looks. I will purchase the day it comes out.

nickao

Nick, the capacity is only 6", will that work for your stuff?

 

[nickao]

Well guys I am getting this instead of the Kapex and that will be on the back burner for awhile. I will let you all know if it is as good as it looks. I will purchase the day it comes out.

nickao

Nick, the capacity is only 6", will that work for your stuff?

For  what I want to use it for, I am not looking to replace a miter saw with it. Only the cost is the issue, I can not swing both.

Small pieces and the miter box are a disaster waiting to happen. I can still use my current miter saw if I have too and a kapex would only replace my capacity, not increase it like adding a new tool.

In addition, I have a table saw and TS75 and really only use the miter for cross cutting to rough size. The small pieces I cut could never be cut with even a Kapex without a lot of hassle. A LOT of my pieces(specifically the center stars) and banding pieces are very small and I use jigs with the table saw right now.

Nickao

 

[monte]

Like most of us here in this forum, I've always believed that the Festool system represents a way of working more than just a set of tools, a challenge to some basic assumptions.  I sensed the same attitude from John and the Jointmaker Pro.  I'm betting it's no coincidence that the Jointmaker Pro has struck a chord with this forum.
Matt

Matthew,

Very well said, and I would like to add from reading his blog how I appreciate his creative approach to design and to be able to intergrate to the systemic approach I see within his tools.

I for one will be sprinting along with Nick to Bridgecity's cyber gate awaiting its release.

Maybee I'm revealing to much of my obsession with this ...........as last night when I was having dinner with my girlfriend, overlaid over the kitchen table (similar dimensions of an MFT1080) in my minds eye was the Jointmaster Pro in holographic form over our dinnerplates. With the two tables going.... swish, swish over the blade as we were having our conversation.

All this started as I was prepping dinner,  while cutting down the radish into little slivers thinking......I could actually do this on the jointmaster pro if I had to. (and yes as we we talking I was mitering those little slivers, in holgraphic form ......of course)

Within my work at times is a lot of small detail work, and although this is a costly unit...... for me the time saved in jig prepping and not having to think around how to use my various other machine and hand saws will more than compensate the cost in short order.

(by next month I hope to be posting photos of my work)

Now if I could only convince John how viable it would be to add a metal type cutting blade as a third option.  ;D

Monte

 

[nickao]

Monte, what is strange is that here on the FOG people think it is very expensive. When in fact the idea and designing it and making it all metal, I do not think it's that expensive.

Once made into plastic the inventor already says the price will drop 50 - 70%. Even though  the new Kapex and Rotex are powered tools, I still never see them dropping in price, let alone 70%.

Heck, there are single hammers that cost 250.00 and many hand planes well over 500.00 or more. I was just looking at a top notch chisel set, cost 725.00.

So to buy  a first run, all in metal and if it does what the video shows, I do not think 995.00 is out of line. I spent nearly 600.00 on the Rotex and sandpaper and it is a sander for heaven sake. And many scoff at 560.00 for a vacuum. For certain people I would hazard to say no price would be to much if it really works as claimed. It just depends what a persons needs are.

I see myself using this everyday and feeling a lot safer, which is worth it to me right there.

Nickao

 

[Per Swenson]

Price is relative.

As long as a tool fits a need it can be priceless.

I would have gladly paid a thousand dollars for an adjustable wrench

the day I was stuck in the Painted Desert.

Per

 

[robtonya]

Well guys I am getting this instead of the Kapex and that will be on the back burner for awhile. I will let you all know if it is as good as it looks. I will purchase the day it comes out.

nickao

Nick, I think it was designed for you. I'd like one, but not really sure what I would use it for. It would be one of those things I would try to find stuff to do with it.

 

[nickao]

It will be nice for the little bitty pieces and not having a loud tool blaring all the time might be nice. I just hope it works as advertised. I watched that video several times and I can see me doing some of those exact cuts.  It's always easier for me to justify the expense because it is for work. I told my wife about it and she just shrugged and said if  it helps you work faster, safer than get it.

Nickao

 

[robtonya]

Price is relative.

As long as a tool fits a need it can be priceless.

I would have gladly paid a thousand dollars for an adjustable wrench

the day I was stuck in the Painted Desert.

Per

Exactly Per, I agree with you 100%. If someone thinks they could use the hell out of it but did not want to pay the price, they could always buy a competitors model, but wait there is none. I think that alone sets a higher standard on price.

 

[Michael Kellough]

It would be one of those things I would try to find stuff to do with it.

Exactly, you'd be wishing you could do everything with it.

 

[robtonya]

Yeah, I would be using it for sure. I have to admit to that the statements Monte made about cutting food on it also crossed my mind for some reason. I would never do that, I guess it is that I really only use a knife in a kitchen. I was thinking it would make a hell of a krinkle cut french fry.

 

[monte]

Yeah, I would be using it for sure. I have to admit to that the statements Monte made about cutting food on it also crossed my mind for some reason. I would never do that, I guess it is that I really only use a knife in a kitchen. I was thinking it would make a hell of a krinkle cut french fry.

I WAS KIDDING!!! : : :  ........reread my post.

 

[poto]

It's not so far out there: my wife uses my microplane tool to zest lemons. Gotta keep those woodworking tools better hidden...

And regarding the Jointmaker Pro - wouldn't it be just the thing for making 3D puzzles? And for cutting the pieces for segmented turnings? Deeply cool tool.

 

[JJEconomaki]

To All:

Speaking on behalf of all of us at Bridge City, we are impressed by the civility of your forum and the conspicuous absence of the Woodworking Taliban.  A woodworking forum free of cynicism, snobbish attitudes and sophomoric comments is sadly, a rare find. You are all to be commended ?this forum is a joy to read.

We are encouraged by the initial enthusiasm shared here regarding the Jointmaker Pro. I have always believed that civility has rewards and as such I have a proposal for FOG members;

We would like to fly one member to Portland to put our Jointmaker Pro prototype through its paces.  In exchange we are asking that you post an unvarnished report, on this forum and my blog, regarding your findings. In addition we will ask that you sigh a non-disclosure agreement and we will share our cost data on the Jointmaker Pro. Although this is nobody?s business but ours, it will quench all rumors that we are funneling money offshore?

We are looking for an experienced woodworker, preferably someone who designs their own work, someone who can recognize the non-obvious possibilities of a new tool and articulate them (in writing) to those with less experience.  It appears there are dozens of qualified candidates on this forum and you are better qualified than we are to choose.

As you discuss this amongst yourselves, keep in mind that we will need to know by this Thursday (May 22) for a likely visit the following Tuesday or Wednesday.  Arrival will be around 1:00 pm. You will play on the Jointmaker Pro as long as desired and return the following day.  Airfare and hotel is on us. A truthful report is all we ask in exchange. In the event this offer becomes burdensome to the forum, we will ask Matthew to select the most appropriate volunteer. 

In the meantime, either Michael Berg or myself will do our best to answer any and all forum questions regarding the Jointmaker Pro.

Congratulations again on your woodworking haven and we look forward to meeting one of you!

Regards,

John Economaki
President
Bridge City Tool Works

 

[JJEconomaki]

To All:

I obviously don't know how to proof forum postings so I apologize for the typo's.

Brief note to Per; no apology required and your stand-up actions did not go unnoticed--thanks.  Fell free to use the Woodworking Taliban as ofter as required.

John Economaki
President
Bridge City Tool Works

 

[greg mann]

To All:

Speaking on behalf of all of us at Bridge City, we are impressed by the civility of your forum and the conspicuous absence of the Woodworking Taliban.  A woodworking forum free of cynicism, snobbish attitudes and sophomoric comments is sadly, a rare find. You are all to be commended ?this forum is a joy to read.

We are encouraged by the initial enthusiasm shared here regarding the Jointmaker Pro. I have always believed that civility has rewards and as such I have a proposal for FOG members;

We would like to fly one member to Portland to put our Jointmaker Pro prototype through its paces.  In exchange we are asking that you post an unvarnished report, on this forum and my blog, regarding your findings. In addition we will ask that you sigh a non-disclosure agreement and we will share our cost data on the Jointmaker Pro. Although this is nobody?s business but ours, it will quench all rumors that we are funneling money offshore?

We are looking for an experienced woodworker, preferably someone who designs their own work, someone who can recognize the non-obvious possibilities of a new tool and articulate them (in writing) to those with less experience.  It appears there are dozens of qualified candidates on this forum and you are better qualified than we are to choose.

As you discuss this amongst yourselves, keep in mind that we will need to know by this Thursday (May 22) for a likely visit the following Tuesday or Wednesday.  Arrival will be around 1:00 pm. You will play on the Jointmaker Pro as long as desired and return the following day.  Airfare and hotel is on us. A truthful report is all we ask in exchange. In the event this offer becomes burdensome to the forum, we will ask Matthew to select the most appropriate volunteer. 

In the meantime, either Michael Berg or myself will do our best to answer any and all forum questions regarding the Jointmaker Pro.

Congratulations again on your woodworking haven and we look forward to meeting one of you!

Regards,

John Economaki
President
Bridge City Tool Works

Since I am quite busy right now I would nominate Jerry Work. He is, I believe, only a stone's throw from Portland and has almost as much woodworking experience as I have.  ;D

All kidding aside, if Jerry likes the tool that is saying a lot. He is creative, articulate, objective, and discriminating. Everyone around here respects his opinion.

 

[Warrior]

I think that Jerry Work or Bill Wyco would be good candidates for the review. With a slight preference in voting for
Bill since he cuts so many small parts for his pieces. On the other hand Jerry does write fabulous reviews and his work is amazing.  darn it!! I cant decide.

Eiji Fuller

 

[Scott W.]

I think that Jerry Work or Bill Wyco would be good candidates for the review. With a slight preference in voting for
Bill since he cuts so many small parts for his pieces. On the other hand Jerry does write fabulous reviews and his work is amazing.  darn it!! I cant decide.

Eiji Fuller

Nickao also cuts small accurate parts on a regular basis and does beautiful work, Brice writes great reviews and is equally talented, Per does outstanding work, the list goes on & on.  Who has the time window to go? Who Wants to? This should be interesting.

Scott W.