As much as I like my Festool sets, I would never be without my Wera Zyklop socket sets. I have the 1/2", 3/8",1/4" and 3/8" metric. sets. I bought all mine from Cadstoolbox.com. WERA 05003596001 8100 SB 4 is the 3/8" imperial set and WERA 05003594001 8100 SB 2 the metric. With these sets and 3/8" 1/4' adaptor or Centroc 3/8" driver adaptor you can fix just about anything as they come with a comprehensive number of 1/4" driver bits also.
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Crazyraceguy said:
If US and Canadian metrification efforts weren't sabotaged by a few vocal underbelly opponents that had an ear in high-level politics in the early 1980's, there wouldn't even be a quarter of the stuff around now.
It should have been decades like the slotted screws; only for turning left [tongue]
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Yeah [member=8955]Coen[/member] I knew it was political in some way. Back in the early 70s, when I was in school, there was some half-hearted attempt to teach metric. I think they went about it the wrong way though. Essentially they taught conversion, which I think is a mistake with children who don't necessarily have a firm grasp on the Imperial system yet anyway. They certainly are engrained in it, like the adults who have only ever know that.
I think the concern was that there would be a generational disconnect? That only lasts for a little while though and then the next generation never really even knows about it. Sure there is some peripheral older examples still around for some time, but eventually it becomes so minimal that it doesn't matter.
From what I understand, the UK is struggling with some of it too? They have holdouts for some things?
The thing is, it's already happening in the background of nearly everything already, people just don't know it. Almost everything you buy by volume or weight has been converted to more "even" metric sizes, yet is still called something point whatever ounces. Gasoline, milk, and that kind of thing, still come in gallons, half gallons, etc. but most other things are liters or milliliters. Almost nothing is an even pint, quart, or ounce anymore.
It's kind of an underhanded way to get by with "shrinkflation" too. Is that happening in Europe too? Where the portion sizes of items are getting smaller, but the price stays the same. Then later the price goes up too and they do it again.
As far a work goes? I don't see it happening any time soon. It is hard enough to hire people now, adding the perceived difficulty of dealing with metric, game over.
I think the concern was that there would be a generational disconnect? That only lasts for a little while though and then the next generation never really even knows about it. Sure there is some peripheral older examples still around for some time, but eventually it becomes so minimal that it doesn't matter.
From what I understand, the UK is struggling with some of it too? They have holdouts for some things?
The thing is, it's already happening in the background of nearly everything already, people just don't know it. Almost everything you buy by volume or weight has been converted to more "even" metric sizes, yet is still called something point whatever ounces. Gasoline, milk, and that kind of thing, still come in gallons, half gallons, etc. but most other things are liters or milliliters. Almost nothing is an even pint, quart, or ounce anymore.
It's kind of an underhanded way to get by with "shrinkflation" too. Is that happening in Europe too? Where the portion sizes of items are getting smaller, but the price stays the same. Then later the price goes up too and they do it again.
As far a work goes? I don't see it happening any time soon. It is hard enough to hire people now, adding the perceived difficulty of dealing with metric, game over.
six-point socket II said:
Not knowing any better is not an excuse for not knowing any better.
Managers are supposed to know when they need help and go and get the needed help.
The biggest cause of failures in business and elsewhere is people thinking that they had the competence to perform a task, but did not.
My friend’s father was the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration before WWII, and the President of Beyer, USA from 1939 to the early 1960s.
He told me once that the single largest cause of medical malpractice was when good (or excellent) doctors attempted something just beyond their capabilities. It was rarely bad doctors that were at fault, but good doctors exhibiting bad judgement.
So, who ever put this together should have sought assistance. Blame hubris or arrogance. “Not knowing any better” is not an excuse, it is an explanation.
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[member=74278]Packard[/member], exactly my point, just like bad language translations. All it takes is someone else looking at it.
That was something the GM of the packaging plant I worked in years ago always promoted. He never liked to see one person complete a specific project all the way through by themselves. Thinking that if they made a mistake early on in the process, they would never see it.
This also goes along with one of those old axioms. "Don't keep working with a mistake, just because you spent a long time making it"
I don't know how many times I've seen that done. Someone will recognize a problem and think that they can just compensate for it somewhere else. They do that, then later that causes something else, then work around that. Eventually, you would have been better off to just start over.
That was something the GM of the packaging plant I worked in years ago always promoted. He never liked to see one person complete a specific project all the way through by themselves. Thinking that if they made a mistake early on in the process, they would never see it.
This also goes along with one of those old axioms. "Don't keep working with a mistake, just because you spent a long time making it"
I don't know how many times I've seen that done. Someone will recognize a problem and think that they can just compensate for it somewhere else. They do that, then later that causes something else, then work around that. Eventually, you would have been better off to just start over.
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I am just a dyi/hobbist. About a year ago bought the Kreg version and was completely underwhelmed, even with my limited knowledge. I have been wanting to replace since.
It will join the ct 26, the jigsaw, rotex 90, and a few accessories. Next up will a router at some point.
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I am just a dyi/hobbist. About a year ago bought the Kreg version and was completely underwhelmed, even with my limited knowledge. I have been wanting to replace since.
It will join the ct 26, the jigsaw, rotex 90, and a few accessories. Next up will a router at some point.
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gamecock111 said:
Welcome to the forum! The track saw is a game changer in my shop!
I noticed in the packaging of the FSV/2 that it pictures you storing the allen key in the saw handlebar, behind the saw-blade locking lever. I guess that's only for the TS 60?
Oh yes. Meat sold in packages of 0,8 kg instead of 1 kg (although this started after animal associations started shaming grocery stores on selling cheap 1 kg packs of meat; the so-called "kiloknallers"), grapes per 400 g instead of 500 g. Pringles potato chips went from 200 g to 165 g (and apparently to 134 g in some regions?). Grocery stores advertising with the "per 500 g" price instead of the "per 1 kg" price for things like tomatoes, apples, the Broccoli now comes with a longer stem that you still pay for, the full-fat French quark went from 10% fat to 8% fat (and ever since it tastes disgusting as well), etc.
More general recently they made the daily caloric food intake advisory "gender neutral". So it went from "women: 2000 kCal, men: 2500 kCal" to "adults: 2000 kCal".
But despite potato chip bags going from 200g or 300g to 150 and 225... there has been a reversal back to 200 and 300 with some brands. I guess the smallest 1-portion size dropped off the radar and they had to re-fill the product line from the larger side... Those that did go back are smart enough to use insanely oversized marking on their packaging for the weight.
Then later on the smaller coins start disappearing because there simply is no point. We round everything to 5 cent so we made the 1 and 2 cent coins obsolete, but ze Germans are still 'penny pinching' so I still have 1 and 2 cent coins in my wallet that I only have use for across the border. The time cashiers spend taking in and returning 1 and 2 cent coins is just a pure drag on everyone's well being. Just like you guys in the USA have a 1 cent coin that costs 1.7 cents to make and half the population just puts in a jar somewhere. When the half cent coin was discontinued it had about the value of a dime (10 cents)...?
Crazyraceguy said:
Oh yes. Meat sold in packages of 0,8 kg instead of 1 kg (although this started after animal associations started shaming grocery stores on selling cheap 1 kg packs of meat; the so-called "kiloknallers"), grapes per 400 g instead of 500 g. Pringles potato chips went from 200 g to 165 g (and apparently to 134 g in some regions?). Grocery stores advertising with the "per 500 g" price instead of the "per 1 kg" price for things like tomatoes, apples, the Broccoli now comes with a longer stem that you still pay for, the full-fat French quark went from 10% fat to 8% fat (and ever since it tastes disgusting as well), etc.
More general recently they made the daily caloric food intake advisory "gender neutral". So it went from "women: 2000 kCal, men: 2500 kCal" to "adults: 2000 kCal".
But despite potato chip bags going from 200g or 300g to 150 and 225... there has been a reversal back to 200 and 300 with some brands. I guess the smallest 1-portion size dropped off the radar and they had to re-fill the product line from the larger side... Those that did go back are smart enough to use insanely oversized marking on their packaging for the weight.
Then later on the smaller coins start disappearing because there simply is no point. We round everything to 5 cent so we made the 1 and 2 cent coins obsolete, but ze Germans are still 'penny pinching' so I still have 1 and 2 cent coins in my wallet that I only have use for across the border. The time cashiers spend taking in and returning 1 and 2 cent coins is just a pure drag on everyone's well being. Just like you guys in the USA have a 1 cent coin that costs 1.7 cents to make and half the population just puts in a jar somewhere. When the half cent coin was discontinued it had about the value of a dime (10 cents)...?
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Being German, I think it's crazy we're still stuck with those 1ct, 2ct, (...) coins. So, I feel your pain.
And like Coen said, of course we got "shrinkflation" as well. Or, as the Nestlé CEO said it on Bloomberg when asked about price increases: we continuously "optimize" packaging. lmao.
It is what it is.
Personally we're not looking at single items that much, it's just the total on the receipt and "volume" inside the shopping basket that's a dead giveaway of what is happening.
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And like Coen said, of course we got "shrinkflation" as well. Or, as the Nestlé CEO said it on Bloomberg when asked about price increases: we continuously "optimize" packaging. lmao.
It is what it is.
Personally we're not looking at single items that much, it's just the total on the receipt and "volume" inside the shopping basket that's a dead giveaway of what is happening.
Kind regards,
Oliver
American packagers were quick to embrace the liter and two liter packaging (and pocket an additional 6% profit).
And Hagen daz quietly went from 16 ounce packages to 14 ounces. Only when displayed adjacent to their competition is the size difference noticeable. My grocery store displays Hagen daz in a separate area to avoid that comparison.
When I was a kid, a Hersheys chocolate bare varied from 3 to 3.5 ounces and fluctuated according to their costs so they could always sell the bar for 10 cents, so this is now something new.
And Hagen daz quietly went from 16 ounce packages to 14 ounces. Only when displayed adjacent to their competition is the size difference noticeable. My grocery store displays Hagen daz in a separate area to avoid that comparison.
When I was a kid, a Hersheys chocolate bare varied from 3 to 3.5 ounces and fluctuated according to their costs so they could always sell the bar for 10 cents, so this is now something new.
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The locally owned supermarket has recently started advertising the artisanal bulk cheese prices by the 1/2# because the customers were mortified at the 1# prices.
So at first glance, the cheese looks like it's on sale, but when you check out, you realize you didn't do the math on that 1# block that you just purchased.
Probably just a matter of time before that's also the case with steak & sea food. [crying]
So at first glance, the cheese looks like it's on sale, but when you check out, you realize you didn't do the math on that 1# block that you just purchased.
Probably just a matter of time before that's also the case with steak & sea food. [crying]
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That's the norm for many years, maybe like forever? here. "Expensive" products get advertised with the "per 100g" prices, and "normal"/"cheap" with the "per kg" prices. With the metric system, it's just the decimal point that moves. 
And with digital price tags being installed in more and more grocery stores nowadays, I think we're just one step away from dynamic pricing. Whatever that will look like in the end.
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Oliver
And with digital price tags being installed in more and more grocery stores nowadays, I think we're just one step away from dynamic pricing. Whatever that will look like in the end.
Kind regards,
Oliver
Retailers play fast and loose with the term “sale”.
Kohls had some impressively beefy flatware sold in 4 piece sets. So you could buy 4 forks or 4 spoons or 4 soup spoons, all priced at $6.99 per set.
I bought enough for my one-person household.
The following week, they had a big sign that said “50% off”. Since you can never have too many teaspoons, I brought two packages (8 spoons) to the register. I was expecting to spend $6.99 total. Instead the price came to $18.99.
It turns out that the 50% off was off the list price of $18.99. So the sale price actually raised the price of the goods from $6.99/ pack to $9.50/ pack.
Macys was not much better. Shoes with a big red “discount” sign to $69.99. When I peeled back the price sticker, the original price was $70.00. It is hard to get excited over a savings of one cent.
Kohls had some impressively beefy flatware sold in 4 piece sets. So you could buy 4 forks or 4 spoons or 4 soup spoons, all priced at $6.99 per set.
I bought enough for my one-person household.
The following week, they had a big sign that said “50% off”. Since you can never have too many teaspoons, I brought two packages (8 spoons) to the register. I was expecting to spend $6.99 total. Instead the price came to $18.99.
It turns out that the 50% off was off the list price of $18.99. So the sale price actually raised the price of the goods from $6.99/ pack to $9.50/ pack.
Macys was not much better. Shoes with a big red “discount” sign to $69.99. When I peeled back the price sticker, the original price was $70.00. It is hard to get excited over a savings of one cent.
I don’t think so. We are very “buyer-beware” in the USA.
Kohls also had “Save 50% on Men’s wallets”. That turned out to be “buy one at full price and the second one is free.”
How many men do you know that buy two wallets at a time? I buy a new wallet when the old one wears out. My current wallet (from a vendor that is out of business) was purchased 30 years ago. Best wallet I have ever had. Not worn out yet, but looking its age. But cannot be replaced.
My point is “Save 50%” is pretty much a come-on. No one I know will store a wallet for use 5 or 10 years down the road.
Kohls also had “Save 50% on Men’s wallets”. That turned out to be “buy one at full price and the second one is free.”
How many men do you know that buy two wallets at a time? I buy a new wallet when the old one wears out. My current wallet (from a vendor that is out of business) was purchased 30 years ago. Best wallet I have ever had. Not worn out yet, but looking its age. But cannot be replaced.
My point is “Save 50%” is pretty much a come-on. No one I know will store a wallet for use 5 or 10 years down the road.
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Packard said:
Ironically, you seemed to answer your own question about why one would do such a thing. [wink]
Based on the way some men buy their New Balance shoes, it wouldn't surprise me if some men bought wallets that same way. Especially with cheap flimsy leather-ish wallets.
Speaking of which, when NB went from the 604 V3 to the V4, I wasn't happy, but the V4's still fit in the same size and had similar colorways, so I accepted it. The newer V5s have neither of those features (fit nor color), and I've remained unhappy.
In any case, we're WAY off topic here, so I'll bring it back by saying that my Recon LS130 was apparently delivered to my office and is waiting for me to pick up.
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Purchased the Sys3 XXL 337 to organize some larger odds and ends.
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Whenever mine wears out, I can't find an identical replacement. When I bought my current one, there were two nearly identical ones... one 18 bucks and one 40 bucks. The 18 bucks one lasted 2 months before falling apart, returned for full money back. I then bought the 40 bucks one and so far it's going into it's 10th year.
My wallet, which is over 30 years old, and all the seams are holding, has outlasted the manufacturer’s embossed name on the inside flap.
But when I checked many years ago, they were out of business. Perhaps being on Rodeo Drive precipitated their demise. I paid $80.00 back the. According to the Consumer Price Index, that’s $171.93 today. But still, a good value.
But when I checked many years ago, they were out of business. Perhaps being on Rodeo Drive precipitated their demise. I paid $80.00 back the. According to the Consumer Price Index, that’s $171.93 today. But still, a good value.
Grabbed a DF500 yesterday, to go with my DF700. I had hoped to make use of the Senaca adapter, to use smaller cutters in my 700, but it just didn't work out for me.
The tenon/cutter set is part of the upcoming February promotion down here in Aus, according to my supplier, so have one of them on hold until then.
The tenon/cutter set is part of the upcoming February promotion down here in Aus, according to my supplier, so have one of them on hold until then.
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