Where did the TS75 go?
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Coen said:
Honourable [wink]
Given that the TS 75 quietly was removed from their website I don’t really expect a TS 75 reappear anyhow. A HK XX saw, a TS 8X/6X to fill the gap a bit maybe. Given that Festool and a late Makita saw was one of very few who had 210mm blades on very, very rarely sold saws and the TS 75’s high price point didn’t help either.
It going to be exciting to see what they will launch.
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I doubt even Festool knows what's going on right now.
Hey, it's not their fault and they don't have control. They just want to make tools and sell them, but the government says, no, you can't, people might get sick.
What I do find strange is that they just pull the TS75 page from their website instead of adding a banner saying production is on hold due to corona.
Hey, it's not their fault and they don't have control. They just want to make tools and sell them, but the government says, no, you can't, people might get sick.
What I do find strange is that they just pull the TS75 page from their website instead of adding a banner saying production is on hold due to corona.
This is the word from Festool on December 30, 2020
Note: In response to end-consumer inquiries, feel free to communicate the following:
Festool is currently experiencing an interruption in the supply of the TS 75 Plunge Cut Track Saw (items # 575389 and 575390) and the HK 55 Track Saw (items # 561756 and 575085). While we are working to satisfy as many current open orders as possible, we are unable to fulfill new orders for the near future. During this period, we are working to increase available inventory of the TS 55 Plunge Cut Track Saw, TSC 55 Cordless Plunge Cut Track Saw, as well as the HKC 55 Cordless Track Saw.
We at Festool sincerely apologize for this interruption in supply for these items. We look forward to continuing to provide the highest quality tools possible.
Note: In response to end-consumer inquiries, feel free to communicate the following:
Festool is currently experiencing an interruption in the supply of the TS 75 Plunge Cut Track Saw (items # 575389 and 575390) and the HK 55 Track Saw (items # 561756 and 575085). While we are working to satisfy as many current open orders as possible, we are unable to fulfill new orders for the near future. During this period, we are working to increase available inventory of the TS 55 Plunge Cut Track Saw, TSC 55 Cordless Plunge Cut Track Saw, as well as the HKC 55 Cordless Track Saw.
We at Festool sincerely apologize for this interruption in supply for these items. We look forward to continuing to provide the highest quality tools possible.
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Of all things to surface, and the TS 75 is still completely erased from Festool’s website(s) there’s a very rare opportunity to see, even less the chance of buying a pre-owned TS 75 here.
It happened today, and it’s a US model for 110V - A voltage that kind of doesn’t exist here.. in the UK I understand there’s 110V on some building sites, but that’s the closest I know of. 3 phase 230V or 400V is the default here on sites.
$365 if anyone are curious.
Courtesy to the photo belongs to the owner of the TS 75.
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It happened today, and it’s a US model for 110V - A voltage that kind of doesn’t exist here.. in the UK I understand there’s 110V on some building sites, but that’s the closest I know of. 3 phase 230V or 400V is the default here on sites.
$365 if anyone are curious.
Courtesy to the photo belongs to the owner of the TS 75.
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FestitaMakool said:
That's a UK site plug.
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Coen said:
Powertools like people want to go enjoy the beauty of Norway.
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DeformedTree said:
- And it’s close to its home country [big grin]
From time to time we can see the odd things. Last time I saw similar it was a Breville Oracle espresso machine (“Sage” in Europe) sold with a beast of a transformer (230-110V) [blink]
Most are home move items from typically UK or US. My Festool boom arm was purchased new outside New York somewhere, then brought home along with loads of hand tools (Lie Nilsen, Japanese chisels and so on) The seller that brought it here was an artist making a living from art in woodworking and painting. I don’t get why people move appliances, electric tools and such, unless it’s the same voltage to where you move. Cars and boats I can see, as you can double the sale or purchase price from the US to here.
If you want a bigger saw that will run on your Festool track I think you have to consider the Makita HXS10 cordless 9 1/4". It's 3 3/8" depth of cut on the track will let you gang cut a stack of four 3/4" sheets of ply. It will almost cut a 4x4 when off the track. Actually the offcut is ready to fall but there will be splinters. Another 1/16" blade size would do it but it's not there. I would still use it for that.
For me it looks like a better deal than the 75 first because of the huge depth of cut. It's a "normal" cordless circ saw when off the track, though the blade is on the right. And it's a track saw.
For me it looks like a better deal than the 75 first because of the huge depth of cut. It's a "normal" cordless circ saw when off the track, though the blade is on the right. And it's a track saw.
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Just a bit of a head up from non-Festool situation in DE/CZ/Europe.
A friend who works/has a small series electronics production (security, internet of things etc.) business was saying there is a HUGE electronics parts supply chain chaos going on now with delivery dates that were in weeks now going into 1/2 year and more AND deliveries being committed but NOT fulfilled randomly.
He was talking not of the high-end parts like chips /there is a shortage there too but those are just more expensive/ but the "simple" things like capacitors, power diodes, etc.
Per him right now, unless you are a true mass customer buying in millions $, basically no one can be trusted to deliver what is promised even when paid up front. Suppliers which were normally reliable delay shipments randomly as there is apparently a "bidding war" in Asia where local manufacturers are over-paying for specific parts so companies who had long-term contracts are being screwed over with paid orders being refunded etc. and the produce sold at multiples cost to whoever comes with more $.
The producers can make more buck by selling opportunistically to a higher bidder and paying the penalties than honoring their contracts.
Their company was now forced to operate in a way they first order parts for full expected production runs MULTIPLE times from multiple alternate suppliers with the hope that enough orders will be fulfilled.
THEN - after they know what stuff actually arrived - they do a "hackaton" to re-design the product so it can me made from the parts they managed to acquire. Flipping the normal design-prototype-order-parts-produce on its head.
As this is going on for 1/2 year plus now, I would expect every manufacturer has reacted by stocking-up to reduce the risk which makes the situation even worse in a vicious circle..
They do custom stuff, so they can kinda get away with this.
I imagine Festool needs way, way higher levels of consistency and reliability, so they are screwed basically. And knowing Germans, plus that they do not have a "Chinese arm" ... I would expect they did not pursue the "rep with wades of cash roaming suppliers to overpay for parts" solution until too late if at all.
Knowing German culture, I would expect Festool reaction was initially to "ride out the storm" and to react not tactically (like the Chinese do by over-paying on a flip) but strategically.
Like to change strategy for more in-house manufacturing in future and expanded component stock levels. Stocking 5 years worth of capacitors is trivial as you can fit a million in an 50 pound box ...IF you know their availability is a concern.
Friend basically said that his Father has not seen such a crazy situation since the Cold War times when there were random component embargoes floating around.
All in all, to me it would indicate Festool is getting burned for not having manufacturing presence in China while at same sourcing generic components parts from there where they cannot dynamically switch suppliers.
/no insider info, but it just so fits in place it is scary/
A friend who works/has a small series electronics production (security, internet of things etc.) business was saying there is a HUGE electronics parts supply chain chaos going on now with delivery dates that were in weeks now going into 1/2 year and more AND deliveries being committed but NOT fulfilled randomly.
He was talking not of the high-end parts like chips /there is a shortage there too but those are just more expensive/ but the "simple" things like capacitors, power diodes, etc.
Per him right now, unless you are a true mass customer buying in millions $, basically no one can be trusted to deliver what is promised even when paid up front. Suppliers which were normally reliable delay shipments randomly as there is apparently a "bidding war" in Asia where local manufacturers are over-paying for specific parts so companies who had long-term contracts are being screwed over with paid orders being refunded etc. and the produce sold at multiples cost to whoever comes with more $.
The producers can make more buck by selling opportunistically to a higher bidder and paying the penalties than honoring their contracts.
Their company was now forced to operate in a way they first order parts for full expected production runs MULTIPLE times from multiple alternate suppliers with the hope that enough orders will be fulfilled.
THEN - after they know what stuff actually arrived - they do a "hackaton" to re-design the product so it can me made from the parts they managed to acquire. Flipping the normal design-prototype-order-parts-produce on its head.
As this is going on for 1/2 year plus now, I would expect every manufacturer has reacted by stocking-up to reduce the risk which makes the situation even worse in a vicious circle..
They do custom stuff, so they can kinda get away with this.
I imagine Festool needs way, way higher levels of consistency and reliability, so they are screwed basically. And knowing Germans, plus that they do not have a "Chinese arm" ... I would expect they did not pursue the "rep with wades of cash roaming suppliers to overpay for parts" solution until too late if at all.
Knowing German culture, I would expect Festool reaction was initially to "ride out the storm" and to react not tactically (like the Chinese do by over-paying on a flip) but strategically.
Like to change strategy for more in-house manufacturing in future and expanded component stock levels. Stocking 5 years worth of capacitors is trivial as you can fit a million in an 50 pound box ...IF you know their availability is a concern.
Friend basically said that his Father has not seen such a crazy situation since the Cold War times when there were random component embargoes floating around.
All in all, to me it would indicate Festool is getting burned for not having manufacturing presence in China while at same sourcing generic components parts from there where they cannot dynamically switch suppliers.
/no insider info, but it just so fits in place it is scary/
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In the same vein, I’ve been waiting for some PC board connectors to arrive since September 2020...every month they say “should arrive within the next 30-45 days.”
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Cheese said:
It's like the contractors in "The Money Pit", but a little less nefarious. [unsure]
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The same "supply chain" story seems to come up in many different fields, in many cases it is quite disruptive to all type of manufacturing, building, etc.
Obviously the pandemic and especially the consequent lockdowns caused some of it due to loss of work hours, but it seems to me that there has also been a lot of mismanagement, both in terms of cancelling orders at the start of the pandemic (e.g. most car companies, at least in the U.S. & Canada cancelling their orders for electronics) and now with the contract / spot pricing shenanigans as companies try to buy products that have already been sold or committed to somebody else.
Transportation issues are adding to the problems, these are slowly getting sorted out but generally at much higher cost than before the pandemic.
There is nothing to be proud of here.
Obviously the pandemic and especially the consequent lockdowns caused some of it due to loss of work hours, but it seems to me that there has also been a lot of mismanagement, both in terms of cancelling orders at the start of the pandemic (e.g. most car companies, at least in the U.S. & Canada cancelling their orders for electronics) and now with the contract / spot pricing shenanigans as companies try to buy products that have already been sold or committed to somebody else.
Transportation issues are adding to the problems, these are slowly getting sorted out but generally at much higher cost than before the pandemic.
There is nothing to be proud of here.
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Jeff Zanin said:
Sorta like the rental car companies who cancelled orders and/or sold off inventory last year and now seem to be caught with their shorts down as the country is opening back up?
So many frustrating things about the current situation. "There is nothing to be proud of here." is a pretty apt way of putting it.
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Way off topic from the TS75 (a really nice saw) but even so...
The global mismanagement is so broad across government, private business, education, etc. it makes me wonder about the current generation of managers.
For many years things have been going pretty well in most places, with some huge exceptions such as Hong Kong being crushed by the CCP and ongoing corruption, disease and squalor in most of Africa. Most of our "problems" in the U.S., Canada, the UK, continental Europe and other places in the First world have been created and exacerbated by petty discord, politics, and media.
Could it be that the current generation of managers has had such a relatively easy time of it that they can't actually manage when confronted with a crisis?
Or maybe they are following each other - one hears that orders are being cancelled, so he cancels his orders, somebody else hears about that, they cancel theirs, and so on.
Like lemmings to the sea.
The global mismanagement is so broad across government, private business, education, etc. it makes me wonder about the current generation of managers.
For many years things have been going pretty well in most places, with some huge exceptions such as Hong Kong being crushed by the CCP and ongoing corruption, disease and squalor in most of Africa. Most of our "problems" in the U.S., Canada, the UK, continental Europe and other places in the First world have been created and exacerbated by petty discord, politics, and media.
Could it be that the current generation of managers has had such a relatively easy time of it that they can't actually manage when confronted with a crisis?
Or maybe they are following each other - one hears that orders are being cancelled, so he cancels his orders, somebody else hears about that, they cancel theirs, and so on.
Like lemmings to the sea.
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Everything got leveraged to "Just in Time" at a global supply chain. Folks deciding for a long time they don't want to have any inventory, and they can save a few cents going to the other side of the world. It was a system waiting to collapse. It just took a year of COVID for it to catch up, much of this started at the beginning. It just takes time for small issues to really start adding up.
So few companies/people running them think about the "what ifs" such as what if you can't get stuff, plants shut down, shipping is crippled... Now they are stuck.
Some companies/people are fine, as they planned ahead.
So few companies/people running them think about the "what ifs" such as what if you can't get stuff, plants shut down, shipping is crippled... Now they are stuck.
Some companies/people are fine, as they planned ahead.
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